Obama sends 2013 budget proposals to Congress
By The Associated Press
This article was originally published February 13, 2012 at 10:48 a.m. Updated February 13, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.
PHOTO BY CHARLES DHARAPAK / AP
President Barack Obama speaks about the "Community College to Career Fund" and his 2013 budget at Monday, Feb. 13, 2012, Northern Virginia Community College in Annandale, Va.
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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama unveiled a $3.8 trillion spending plan on Monday for 2013 that seeks to achieve $4 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade but does little to restrain growth in the government’s health benefit programs.
Obama’s new budget was immediately attacked by Republicans as a retread of previously rejected ideas.
The president would achieve $1.5 trillion of the deficit reductions in tax increases on the wealthy and by removing certain corporate tax breaks.
Obama rejected GOP charges of class warfare. In his budget message, he said, “This is not about class warfare. This is about the nation’s welfare.”
In a message that repeated populist themes Obama also sounded in his State of the Union address, the president defended his proposed tax increases on the wealthy, saying it was important that the burden of getting deficits under control be a shared responsibility.
“This is about making fair choices that benefit not just the people who have done fantastically well over the last few decades but that also benefit the middle class, those fighting to get into the middle class and the economy as a whole,” Obama said.
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Aimee says... February 13, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
His spending includes transportation infrastructure jobs and education at the community college level to give workers the skills they need for a post industrial economy.... Details in this article would have been more helpful than thinly veiled criticism...
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Reason says... February 13, 2012 at 2:50 p.m.
The President's Budget for Fiscal Year 2013
We now face a make-or-break moment for the middle class and those trying to reach it. After decades of eroding middle-class security as those at the very top saw their incomes rise as never before and after a historic recession that plunged our economy into a crisis from which we are still fighting to recover, it is time to construct an economy that is built to last.
The President’s 2013 Budget is built around the idea that our country does best when everyone gets a fair shot, does their fair share, and plays by the same rules. We must transform our economy from one focused on speculating, spending, and borrowing to one constructed on the solid foundation of educating, innovating, and building. That begins with putting the Nation on a path to living within our means – by cutting wasteful spending, asking all Americans to shoulder their fair share, and making tough choices on some things we cannot afford, while keeping the investments we need to grow the economy and create jobs. The Budget targets scarce federal resources to the areas critical to growing the economy and restoring middle-class security: education and skills for American workers, innovation and research and development, clean energy, and infrastructure.
The Budget is a blueprint for how we can rebuild an economy where hard work pays off and responsibility is rewarded.
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T6 says... February 13, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
Same song, second verse worse than the first.
White House Underestimated 2012 Deficit by $769.5B--or 138 Percent
Obama's A New Era of Responsibility.”
On Feb. 26, 2009, as Obama released his budget for fiscal 2010, the national debt stood at $10.88 trillion (10,881,159,722,022.36). At the close of business on Feb. 9, 2012, the national debt stood at $15.36 trillion ($15,355,838,921,022.16). That represents an increase in the debt of $4.47 trillion ($4,474,679,198,999.80).
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Reason says... February 13, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
Breaking news.... The House passed the payroll tax extension. Wonder if they attached the kitchen sink to it this time?
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T6 says... February 13, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.
In Dec.House Republicans easily approved a one-year extension of the payroll tax cut.
Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) vowed to reject it over a number of provisions that Democrats find unacceptable.
Senate Democrats have suggested that the House bill will be dead on arrival in that chamber, and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says he recently told House Speaker John Boehner not to bother sending him legislation that would not get any Democratic support.
Reason, the BILL wasn't what the DEMWITS wanted so it was vetoed. So who is the party of NO? DEMWITS are the party of MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.
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T6 says... February 13, 2012 at 4:48 p.m.
It appears his strategy is the same as before but he's doubling down.
The White House intends to boost government subsidies for wealthy buyers of the Chevy Volt and other new-technology vehicles — to $10,000 per buyer.
That mammoth subsidy would cost taxpayers $100 million each year if it is approved by Congress, presuming only 10,000 new-technology autos are sold each year.
The extra money for wealthy buyers will be borrowed funds, eventually paid off by future taxpayers in all income brackets.
With the $7,500 rebate for each buyer, Chevy sold only 7,671 Volts in 2011, far below the target of 10,000 earlier touted by company officials. Last month Nissan made the 10,000th sale of its all-electric Leaf model.
The average income of the Chevy Volt’s buyers is $170,000 per year, according to General Motors CEO Dan Akerson. “Some of them — I think roughly half — are either [Toyota] Prius or BMW owners,” Akerson said in a Dec. 16 interview with the Associated Press.
That high income puts the Volt’s buyers in the top 7 percent of households, according to census data, and slightly above the rankings held by households with BMWs, Lexuses or Cadillacs.
The average income of BMW buyers is nearly $170,000, according to a May 2010 article in Bloomberg Business Week.
Cadillac buyers earn almost $130,000, and Lexus buyers take home an average of $141,000. Only Mercedes-Benz drivers earn more than Volt drivers, an average of $174,000 per year.
The extra subsidy is buried in President Barack Obama’s request for the 2013 budget, but was briefly described by White House economic chief Gene Sperling during a White House briefing today
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Reason says... February 13, 2012 at 5:28 p.m.
T6: We've already been through this dance... The House Bill was paid for by raising taxes on the poor, unemployed, middle-class, retirees, cutting Medicare... just to name a little of the kitchen sink that was attached. The Senate bill was paid for by raising taxes on the wealthy which amounted to 2 cents on the dollar. And when the House already knows that the democrats will NOT raise taxes on this group... They have done nothing. It is the most do-nothing-congress in history. Vote'em OUT! And stay away from the bad tea!
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T6 says... February 13, 2012 at 5:42 p.m.
I'll take my bad tea but how does it feel to be a mushroom? Seriously, do you think we can afford His continued trillion dollar deficits?
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Reason says... February 13, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.
T6: The republicans walked away from a $3 trillion deficit reduction package... It is not about the deficit and you know it! And if you knew anything about government than you would know that congress controls the purse. $901 billion is better than $1.3 trillion when he came in to office... I don't know how he has managed as well as he has with this dysfunctional congress.
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Bill Clinton balanced the budget, 23 million jobs were created and the republicans came in and overturned... Took $3.4 trillion at of the treasury, created 2 wars, crashed the economy, shipped 8 million jobs overseas, $800 trade deficit, grew government, grew military, placed everything on a credit card, declared mission accomplished as soon as the war contracts were dished out... Let's see were there any spending cuts in those 8 years? "Deficits don't matter," said Chaney. Budget deficits $1.3 trillion....
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Obama comes into office.... "Okay, congress let's get to work.".... And the republicans said, “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president. " said McConnell.
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In spite of the GOP obstruction and assault on America... This country is moving forward in the right direction!
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T6 says... February 13, 2012 at 8:24 p.m.
Reason and you know that Obamas budget has ONLY spending in it and NO cuts. The
His own Democrats voted against his budget last year and it looks like it will be the same for this year. He can't get the 51 votes from his party. As you ought to know,Senate Budgets only require 51 votes.
What was the deficit when Obama took office and what is it now?
Hey Reason, Have you recieved your marching orders from Obama's new TRUTH TEAM Yet?
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T6 says... February 13, 2012 at 10:22 p.m.
By the way Reason where's Obama getting the $800 Million he's giving to the THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD in Egypt in ECONOMIC AID in his budget? Obama proposed $51.6 billion in funding for the U.S. State Department and foreign aid overall, with $8.2 billion in assistance to war zones, $3.3 billion for Afghanistan, $1 billion for Pakistan, and $4 billion for Iraq, where U.S. troops have left the country but the State Department has picked up some of their functions such as police training. Obama said we were of Iraq. He sure does like to redistribute the wealth.
Oh and do we have anything in our Constitution that provides for a GLOBAL MINIMUM TAX? Obummer's Economic Advisor, Gene Sperling thinks we should tax the entire world. Where would that money go? To the UN?
Oh and did you read that Obama and his National media has been lying about Afghanistan? I am sure you must have. You can read it here in Truth, lies and Afghanistan
armedforcesjournal. com/2012/02/8904030
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ToGQ4U says... February 14, 2012 at 2:28 a.m.
"Breaking news.... The House passed the payroll tax extension." Stupid Americans, do they not understand that this could push some into a higher tax bracket and be taxed on that "New" income.
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Aimee says... February 14, 2012 at 1:37 p.m.
"It’s halftime. Both teams are in their locker room discussing what they can do to win this game in the second half.
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It’s halftime in America, too. People are out of work and they’re hurting. And they’re all wondering what they’re going to do to make a comeback. And we’re all scared, because this isn’t a game.
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The people of Detroit know a little something about this. They almost lost everything. But we all pulled together, now Motor City is fighting again.
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I’ve seen a lot of tough eras, a lot of downturns in my life. And, times when we didn’t understand each other. It seems like we’ve lost our heart at times. When the fog of division, discord, and blame made it hard to see what lies ahead.
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But after those trials, we all rallied around what was right, and acted as one. Because that’s what we do. We find a way through tough times, and if we can’t find a way, then we’ll make one.
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All that matters now is what’s ahead. How do we come from behind? How do we come together? And, how do we win?
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Detroit’s showing us it can be done. And, what’s true about them is true about all of us.
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This country can’t be knocked out with one punch. We get right back up again and when we do the world is going to hear the roar of our engines. Yeah, it’s halftime America. And, our second half is about to begin."
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ToGQ4U says... February 14, 2012 at 4:12 p.m.
"This country can’t be knocked out with one punch.", No but reelecting Obama will put this country out for sure.
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Packman says... February 14, 2012 at 4:14 p.m.
Hey Reason - Nice try but I'm not going to let you get away with it. @Reason - "And if you knew anything about government than you would know that congress controls the purse." ..... @ Reason - "Bill Clinton balanced the budget....." Trying to have it both ways makes you look oh so stupid. If you're OK with that, so am I.
Maybe I missed it, but where's the deficit reduction BH Obama promised when elected? Alas, "You lie!" seems to be a most appropriate response.
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ToGQ4U says... February 14, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
The Dems have had a the majority in the Senate which is all that is needed to pass a budget. One has to ask what is their problem?
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T6 says... February 14, 2012 at 5:28 p.m.
Sen. Harry Reid, said it would be "foolish" for members of his party to produce a budget and be held to account for their votes.
This is why we need a budget. The Appropriations Committee determines levels of discretionary spending. Approps don’t touch mandatory spending. But mandatory spending constitutes about 60 percent of all federal spending — and mandatory programs like Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security drive our deficits and debt. Without the imposition of budget discipline, these programs grow on autopilot.
By never submitting a budget, enacting a few discretionary spending caps as a part of the Budget Control Act (a.k.a. the debt ceiling deal) and punting to the Super Committee that also punted on entitlement reform, Democrats avoid any difficult discussion of how to ensure the solvency of our entitlement programs. With no plan of their own on the table, they’re free to shoot down anything Republicans
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Jjackk says... February 14, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.
Yeah nice try, facts mean nothing to Packgirl or trouble. They live in this fantasy land where Republicans cut spending. Never have in 150 years but those idiots still believe what they're told to believe.
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T6 says... February 14, 2012 at 7:52 p.m.
Facts? So jjackk, where is the Senate Democrats budget?
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Jjackk says... February 14, 2012 at 7:54 p.m.
It is supposed to originate in the House. Learn your congressional process.
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T6 says... February 14, 2012 at 9:26 p.m.
The House passed a budget last year. What happened to it, Harry Reid said NO. the House is working on a budget now. Where's the Senate's budget Jjacklk, 1019 days the SENATE hasn't passed a Budget?
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Reason says... February 14, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
T6: Our founders setup congress in 2 chambers, House & Senate. NOT just one! It is called "checks and balances" to prevent unrestrained power of authority;tyranny.
The Senate "could" pass a bill but the House has already stated that they will NOT pass it. Therefore, it is pointless since it must pass both chambers. To do so is just "politics" for show. And these 2-chambers must work with the President or hold enough votes to survive a veto to make law. Our founding fathers called it "separation of powers".
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Re: Spending...
Congress "obligates" spending. Most all current spending was "obligated" by previous Congresses and Presidents, years and decades ago but it is still law. What Congress "obligates" the President cannot refuse to fund. It is called "impoundment" and the President cannot impound funds! See Richard Nixon and find out what happened when he refused to spend what congress had "obligated" and WHY the Congressional Budget Office was established. Congress MUST act before spending can be reduced (except for some executive administrative savings) Furthermore, when Congress goes against the recommendations of their very own CBO… It is called "politics", which is exactly what this congress is doing! The President's budget is much more in line with the CBO than Congress.
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T6 says... February 14, 2012 at 10:14 p.m.
Reason, you're showing your stupidity! You said, The President's budget is much more in line with the CBO than Congress.
The Congressional Budget Office projects that the national debt under President Obama’s policies will rise to $21.665 trillion by 2022, according to its updated budget outlook.
The updated outlook, released Tuesday, found that current Obama administration policies will result in a 50 percent increase in debt held by the public and a 40 percent increase in intra-governmental debt held in the trust funds of entitlement programs.
CBO’s baseline projection represents the estimated debt incurred by current policy over 10 years, reflecting the fact that government spending commitments continue over several years.
Should Obama win a second term in January, he will leave office with a projected $18.4 trillion national debt – an increase of $7.8 trillion in the eight years Obama will have been in office. The national debt stood at $10.6 trillion in January 2009 when Obama took office.
Didn't Obama say his budget would save 4 trillion over 10 years?
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Reason says... February 14, 2012 at 10:36 p.m.
T6: Pay attention! Congress has NOT acted. The debt was already projected to soar before Obama took office and that was with allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire. What part of "obligated" or "mandated" spending do you not understand?
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And if you had read the CBO report.... The economy MUST come first! We MUST grow the economy. Remember, "It's the economy, stupid. And since government makes up 30% of the economy... the cuts have to be trimmed and nothing too drastic and same thing with taxes until the economy heals.
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The Bush tax cuts should have been paid for before cutting taxes. That accounts for about $3.4 trillion of the debt. During the Bush Administration the budget increased a whooping 104%. And between FY 2002 and FY 2009, discretionary spending rose 96%. (And no, that is not military). And thousands of new federal programs, an increase of 30%. All on a charge card... "obligated" spending.
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T6 says... February 15, 2012 at 12:46 a.m.
Reason, Didn't your Messiah say he would cut the deficit in half in his 4 years?
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Aimee says... February 15, 2012 at 1:12 a.m.
The President has not been able to cut the deficit in half because of Republican obstructionism... He has TRIED to work with them, but they just keep saying "No"... It's kind of hard to accomplish anything when you have the people you work with determined to make you fail..!!!
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ToGQ4U says... February 15, 2012 at 1:57 a.m.
51 Democrats in the Senate and they can not pass a budget? It only takes a simple majority. BTW the Dems had the House before 2010, what happen to the budgets then?
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T6 says... February 15, 2012 at 8:03 a.m.
Aimee, Harry Reid said the same of the Republicans and WHAT no outrage? I am soooooo shocked.
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T6 says... February 15, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.
aimee, It might surprise you but there are people who see through what the DEMWITS are doing. As long as the Demwits can with the help of the Nationalist media keep parroting the R's are the obstructionist, when we know the DEMWITS won't give Obama the votes he needs and to keep idiots like you and the rest of the koolaid drinkers from finding out his party is not in lockstep with him, they blame the R's. That's why his budget didn't pass the Senate last year BECAUSE NO ONE in his party VOTED for it.
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T6 says... February 15, 2012 at 8:27 a.m.
Aimee, Why would the Republicans be obstructionists? Harry Reid has made it CLEAR HE don't need no stinking Republican. "Although Reid on Monday called for a "spirit of compromise" in negotiating a year-long payroll tax cut, he also said Democrats are prepared "to act with or without Republican cooperation."
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Reason says... February 15, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
Like I said, " Congress has NOT acted."
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The republicans held a majority in both the House and Senate from 2001-2007 and Presidency...
Please list ALL the spending cuts.
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T6 says... February 15, 2012 at 9:51 a.m.
Funny how the Republicans get the blame for all ills but the Demwits and Obama push through their agendas WITHOUT Republicans and R's still get the blame. Kinda like George Bush starts going over the cliff, Obama follows and blames Bush because he followed. Obama could have put on the brakes and changed course but nooooo that would've shown he wasn't as briiliant as he and his followers want everyone to think.
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Aimee says... February 15, 2012 at 10 a.m.
Maddjack (Hope):
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You really need to review how the government, and especially the US Senate, works... Because of the Republican determination to BLOCK every proposal the President makes (Oooooooouuu....they are SO afraid he will be successful and they will be stuck with Democrats in the WH until at least 2020) it takes 60 votes to even discuss them... It does take only 51 to pass, but you have to get 60 to BRING IT UP for that vote... But you still need to read up on the Senate rules yourself to see how these obstructionists are using them so that NOTHING gets done... I think the American people are seeing these Repugnicans for what they are and why we HAVE a "Do Nothing" Congress with such low approval ratings...
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T6:
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You Repugnicans are SO dense..!!! Of course Harry Reid is complaining about Republican obstructionism...!!! He has bills he would like to debate and vote on and can not get one of them on the floor because of the incompetent knuckle-dragging Neanderthals in the Repugnican minority... The filibuster requiring 60 votes for cloture is supposed to be used for "controversial" bills... Not every blooming bill that is introduced...!!!
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And as far as Majority Leader Reid's comment on working without the Repugnicans, it is the same fall-back plan that was used to get the earlier extension involving the payroll tax.. It was made with McConnell and the House Repugs are to be given a "take-it-or-leave-it" offer... It involves "compromise" - a word that strikes the fear of death in Tea Partiers, but is the way legislation is passed in most two party governments... If Reid can't work with a bunch of clueless fear-mongering fanatics in the Repugnican Party of the Senate, he will work with just one..!!! Good man, Harry Reid..!!!
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Packman says... February 15, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
Hey Jjackk (Mr. Meoff) - Speaking of facts, it's a fact BH Obama said he would cut the federal deficit in half. Simpletons accept any excuse for this blatant lie, excuses usually centered on blaming Republicans instead of recognizing that the useful idiots in the Democrat party are being played as, well, useful idiots. As to additional fact, when BH Obama took office his party controlled the Congress. It's a fact no deficit reducing budget was passed when he and his party had total control. Blame Republicans all you want, but the thing about fact is they can be a very stubborn thing to deny.
Hey Reason - One of GW Bush's biggest mistakes was compromising with Democrats in the early 2000's on budget issues. Why in the world would the country want to make that same mistake again? So, Reason, have you decided who controls the federal "purse strings" yet? You really do destroy what little credibility you have left by speaking out of both sides of your mouth.......
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Aimee says... February 15, 2012 at 10:47 a.m.
Packman:
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"In the latest New York Times/CBS News poll, 60 percent say Mr. Obama is attempting to work with Congressional Republicans to try to accomplish something; 27 percent say Republicans in Congress are making the same effort to work things out with the president."
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thecaucus.blogs.nytimes. com/2012/01/18/g-o-p-in-congress-get-blame-for-gridlock/
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"President Barack Obama continues to gain ground on congressional Republicans on a central issue: jobs and growing the economy. When asked who is more focused on those two objectives, 49 percent of those polled believe it’s Obama, while 40 percent say it’s Republicans in Congress. It’s the fifth straight month Obama was ahead of Republicans in Congress — Republicans led Obama in early August."
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Too bad, so sad, bye bye..!!!!
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T6 says... February 15, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
Reason,
Just as the Democrats have held a majority in both houses and the Presidency, No cuts but plenty of SPENDING.
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Aimee says... February 15, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
T6 and Packman:
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"Obama’s proposed 2012 budget is projected to be 23.6 percent of GDP, which is lower than the fiscal year 2009 budget, President George W. Bush’s last budget, which reached 25 percent of GDP."
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"Obama claimed that his budget proposal fulfills his campaign promise "to cut the deficit in half by the end of my first term." The House Budget Committee countered that "instead of fulfilling his campaign promise … the president’s budget doubles the debt over that same period of time." Obama’s claim is closer to reality than the Budget Committee’s.
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First, the president and the Budget Committee are talking about two different things. The deficit is the difference between the revenues (receipts) that the government collects and what it spends (outlays) in a given year. The debt is the accumulation of many deficits minus any surpluses. So, even if the debt increases, that doesn’t automatically mean that the president would be breaking his campaign promise to cut the deficit. But let’s look at the numbers anyway.
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According to the budget proposal, the deficit at the end of Obama’s first term in fiscal year 2013 would be $768 billion. That’s about a 46 percent decrease from the actual $1.4 trillion deficit at the end of fiscal year 2009. That’s very close to what the president claimed."
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He was off by 4%... Wow, what a LIE he told..!!! And yes, 2012 would be the END of his FIRST term...
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Delusional Busheviks..!!!
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Jjackk says... February 15, 2012 at 1:05 p.m.
Little PACKGIRL, when did I say Obama wasn't a liar? I see you can't tackle my statement because you know its true. You are a fool that believes words when 150 years of history show they are lies. Naturally you can't show where Republicans EVER cut spending so you use your standard Obama whining. Man up and face your own believes, if you can.
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T6 says... February 15, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.
aimee, we should've known you'd get your "facts" from Obama. org. I wonder how many people reading your post are shaking their heads in disbelief that a person could be soooooo stupid?
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Aimee says... February 15, 2012 at 3:11 p.m.
T6:
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You need to put your glasses on...!!! You're seeing things, or maybe it is just that you are by naturally delusional... But then your a Bushevik, so what can be expected...!!!
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Reason says... February 15, 2012 at 11:01 p.m.
The republicans had 8 years and Obama has had 3 years.
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I'm still waiting for a list of spending cuts from those GOP years.
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ToGQ4U says... February 15, 2012 at 11:50 p.m.
I'm still waiting for budget from the Obama administration.
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Aimee says... February 16, 2012 at 1:17 a.m.
Maddjack (Hope):
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Why don't have T6 swing by and pick you up when he goes to the eye doctor...???
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Look at the headline for this article... Duh..!!!!
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“Although it is not true that conservatives are stupid people… It is true that all stupid people are conservative”
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T6 says... February 16, 2012 at 10 a.m.
aimee, Oh, aren't you the funny one... Not!!!! Your go to website for all things factual has been proven to be biased and unreliable. Now, don't you look like the mental midget......
"I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go?"~~` Barack Obama
Liberals think Conservatives are evil but we’re not. Conservatives think Liberals are stupid because they are.
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Aimee says... February 16, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
T6:
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~ George W. Bush to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005
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ToGQ4U says... February 16, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
Obama is a failed fabian.
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Reason says... February 16, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
Packer: List what funds the President has authority to cut.
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T6 says... February 16, 2012 at 4:22 p.m.
Reason, the Republican House just gave Obama power over the purse by giving him line item veto power.
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ToGQ4U says... February 16, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.
Clinton v. City of New York (1998)
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ToGQ4U says... February 16, 2012 at 5:16 p.m.
"In 1998, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled the line-item veto unconstitutional, in violation of the Presentment Clause in Article I, Section 7, of the Constitution, which requires that every bill that passes the House and Senate must be presented to the president for either approval or disapproval. "
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T6 says... February 16, 2012 at 6:39 p.m.
Maddjack,.huffingtonpost. com/2012/02/08/house-gop-obama-line-item-veto_n_1262756.html
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Reason says... February 16, 2012 at 9:19 p.m.
T6: The House alone does NOT have the power to send legislation to the President. (Remember the founders setup two chambers called the House and Senate?) And if the House had bothered to talk to at least the republicans in the senate instead of locking themselves up in the House and pretending that they can legislate like a parliament and pretending the President is a Prime Minister ... than they would know that the Senate republicans will not support another unconstitutional line item veto bill. Therefore, it is all for show for their minions that do not seem to understand the simple basics of the two-chambers and the separations of powers. Which is the same idiots that thought the debt ceiling meant more future spending when the debt is money already spent.
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T6 says... February 16, 2012 at 9:42 p.m.
Reason, I only said the "House" gave him power. I didn't say the Senate had. That was in the link.
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Reason says... February 16, 2012 at 9:51 p.m.
T6: The House gave the President NOTHING because they DO NOT have the power without the Senate. Good grief that is basic common sense.
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Jjackk says... February 17, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.
Thats one thick head!
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T6 says... February 17, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
Boy, Jjackk, Reason, wouldn't you think the Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, and the top Democrat on the committee, Chris Van Hollen would know that before they brought the House Bill to a vote?
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Tortitude says... February 17, 2012 at 8:38 p.m.
I double over in alternating pain and laughter at "$3.8 trillion spending plan ... seeks to achieve $4 trillion in deficit reduction over the next decade...." The pain is due to the fact that Obama is going to win re-election. The laughter is due to the reduction of the deficit by $4 Trillion. The combined pain and laughter is due to the reduction of the deficit by $4 Trillion. The savings is going to be out of old folks pockets as per the cuts in Medicare/Medicaid support going forward. If you are over 55 you can kiss yer health goodbye since you are not important and can wait in line for occasional care. I thought Obama believed that health care was a right, not a privilege. Not so since that's where his big savings in the real expenditure budget are [not factoring in money for military reduction that was not going to be spent anyway].
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T6 says... February 17, 2012 at 10:37 p.m.
Obama's had Trillion dollar deficits each year, saving 4 trillion over a decade is helping how?
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Reason says... February 18, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
Really? You thought the House could give permission? Read Article I of the Constitution or have somebody to read it for you. And... "does Ryan know this?" Oh, my goodness, girl! It's called politics!
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Well, I asked for all you republicans to list all the spending cuts, during that 8 year republican reign, and nothing was listed. (because there were NONE) Remember? "Deficits don't matter", said Chaney.
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Also, it was established that the President does NOT have the authority to cut funds that Congress has "obligated". So I asked WHAT spending could he cut? And you republicans could NOT come up with any spending that the President could stop because he has already cut WHAT he is authorized to cut. (We have a "do-nothing" congress)
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What good is cutting $4 trillion? I can't believe you asked that... Duh... Paying down the debt means paying less interest which is almost a half a trillion a year.
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And you might need to know that spending is NOT the only thing that increases the deficit/debt. A decrease in revenues will do the same thing but there is one more BIG factor in all these numbers.....
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Republican Bookkeeping GIMMICKS:
nytimes. com/2009/02/20/us/politics/20budget. htmlFebruary 19, 2009
WASHINGTON — For his first annual budget next week, President Obama has banned four accounting gimmicks that President George W. Bush used to make deficit projections look smaller. The price of more honest bookkeeping: A budget that is $2.7 trillion deeper in the red over the next decade than it would otherwise appear, according to administration officials. The four changes were:
1. accounting for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (”overseas military contingencies”) in the budget rather than through the use of supplemental appropriations;
2. assuming the Alternative Minimum Tax will be indexed for inflation;
3. accounting for the full costs of Medicare reimbursements; and
4. anticipating the inevitable expenditures for natural disaster relief.
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Aimee says... February 18, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
T6:
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You said, "Obama's had Trillion dollar deficits each year, saving 4 trillion over a decade is helping how?"
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It's called "Return on Investment"..!!!!
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If you spend $1,600 to insulate your home, you will save $200 a year on heating bills... In 8 years you will have paid off the investment and will then see a gain of $200 a year with no additional cost at all... Plus, if the cost of heating goes up you will save even more...
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Simple, but then again, since you hate every thing the President is trying to do, it may require that you get over your Tea Party mental block...!!!
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T6 says... February 18, 2012 at 11:45 p.m.
aimee says If you spend $1,600 to insulate your home, you will save $200 a year on heating bills... In 8 years you will have paid off the investment and will then see a gain of $200 a year with no additional cost at all... Plus, if the cost of heating goes up you will save even more.
Please tell me how you will save if you have to borrow 46 cents of that $1600 plus you have to pay interest on the money borrowed for 8 years?
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Aimee says... February 19, 2012 at 12:31 a.m.
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I didn't say anything about borrowing in my example...
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T6 says... February 19, 2012 at 8:47 a.m.
aimee, No you didn't say anything about borrowing but the reality IS the government is borrowing 46 cents of every dollar we spend and our debt is exponentially increasing each year.
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Reason says... February 19, 2012 at 8:56 a.m.
A few high-lights from a trip down memory lane….
When Bill Clinton took office, the national debt held by the public had quadrupled, the "budget deficit" was a whopping $290 billion in 1992 and was projected to grow to $455 by FY2000.
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Without a single republican vote, Congress enacted the 1993 Deficit Reduction Plan which raised taxes on some and lowered taxes on 15 million Americans, small businesses and research and development.
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Bill Clinton left office with a WHOPPING $237 billion SURPLUS FY2000, 22 million new jobs, lowest inflation and unemployment in 30 years. And spending was largely curtailed by the established PAYGO rule. (Pay-As-You-Go)
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George W Bush took office Jan 20, 2001 with that WHOPPING $237 billion SURPLUS and the republicans proceeded to undo everything that Bill Clinton had accomplished. 2001-2007: Republican majority in both the House and Senate
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Republican Congress Set aside PAYGO and passed:
Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001;
2001 Afghanistan War (Cost of the War kept off the books)
Republican Congress allowed PAYGO rule to expire in 2002:
In 2003 Iraq War, Bush lied about WMDs (Cost of war kept off the books)
Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003;
2002 Home Ownership Society
2003 American Downpayment Act
2004 Pre-emempted state laws on predatory mortgage lending
Deregulated Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make loans easier to quality for.
2003 Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement and Moderation Act.
"No Child Left Behind"
And victory was declared on both wars as soon as the war contracts were handed out.
2002 Congress postponed Medicare Doc-Fix. ($267 billion will now land on Obama's budget.)
GOP Off-budget spending (concealed from public) was another $2.7 trillion over next 10 years.
CRASH*CRASH*CRASH*CRASH*CRASH*CRASH*CRASH*
Results:
Iraq: 4,421 Dead 31,922 wounded
Afghanistan: 1,884 Dead 15,343 wounded
Loss of 8 million jobs, $800 billion trade deficit, budget deficit $1.4 trillion, home closures, Americans loss 30-40% of home value, unemployment skyrocketed, increased poverty rolls…
Less revenue due to tax cuts, more unemployed means less revenue, unemployed means more spending going out more on welfare.
DEBT EXPLODED
Just the Interest on debt: $383,071,060,815.17 FY 2009
THE GREAT RECECESSION
What to do?
BAIL*OUT*BAIL*OUT*BAIL*OUT
2008 TARP
The 8 year republican reign produced ZERO spending cuts and a mountain of debt… And money borrowed from China to pay for the tax cuts. ALL placed on a charge card because "Deficits don't matter", said Chaney. Wow! How's that for a bunch of "conservatives"?
Also notice…. No immigration reform, no tax reform, no exit plans for 2 wars…. Did I leave anything out?
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Jjackk says... February 19, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
I want to see a plan that cuts the national debt by 4 trillion in ten years. The budget could be easily balanced in three years and it seems like most people find it acceptable for plans to only slow the increase in deficit spending IN TEN YEARS. But both parties want their cuts. their cuts of the pie. The debt and deficit spending haven't been the top agenda since Andrew Jackson. And guess what? For one year there was no debt or deficit spending. The richest country ever and we've been debt free for one year in our history.
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Tortitude says... February 19, 2012 at 6:51 p.m.
I think the bipartisan answer to debt and deficit is the Clinton model: a middle of the road truly smart economic approach that netted the Clinton Admin a surplus, not a deficit at the end of Clinton's term. Clinton did preside over economic expansion and the dot com boom and was able to raise taxes throught the roof without dissonance. We need pro growth policies that will enable the next boom so that DC can raise taxes. Absent growth, raising taxes spells disaster. Invoking rich old men and their secretaries like Obama does with that tired refrain about Warren Buffett (pays 15% because all he does is trades stocks - does not work for a living) and his $500,000 a year secretary are getting old and tired.
If you don't like the boom-bust cycle then vote for Ron Paul is real structural change who will diffuse the Fed.
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ToGQ4U says... February 19, 2012 at 8:25 p.m.
Clinton model? During the last six years of his administration the Rep handed him bills to sign. One of which, one was "The Contract to America", other than that Clinton was a tax and spend president in his first two years in office.
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T6 says... February 19, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
Reason, Yawn!!!!! We know that you think your Messiah is the Second Coming. Sooooooo Ya got anymore of them LIES?
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Reason says... February 20, 2012 at 7:34 a.m.
Whooooo! Look at all those republicans spending cuts! Wow! ZERO!
And jobs.... Whoooo... 8 million loss! Wow!
And congress has approved what spending cuts? Whoooo! ZERO! So what can Obama cut...? Zero!
Hope: When you have to borrow money to cut taxes.... It is Spending! Spending plus interest!
Clinton 23 million jobs, Bush -8 million jobs... A difference of 31 million jobs plus a balanced budget.
T6: You sure do alotta screaming to not know the basics of how our government works. You been dummied down or something? Did you read the Constitution?
We've had 23 months of job growth in the private sector and the republicans vow to stop this growth even if they have to take away women's rights to do it. Wow!
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T6 says... February 20, 2012 at 9:18 a.m.
Reason, Sometimes arguing with an idiot is just not worth the effort. It gets tedious refuting your lies. We keep going round this circle. You Obots will always have blinders on when it comes to your Supreme Comrade. Maybe when we turn in to Greece, you can continue your drivel about BLAME GEORGE BUSH. Just wondering, do you blame someone else for your station in life? Or do YOU take responsiblity?
Obama has said he'd didn't know how bad shape we were in when he took office. He should have he WAS in Congress, wasn't he? That's what Democrats do best, create the mess and then BLAME someone else. Obama acts as tho he was just elected and hasn't been part of the destruction.
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Reason says... February 20, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
T6: You drivel! The GOP had control but somehow are not responsible, um? News break... the economy crashed before Obama took office. It was BAD and even WORSE than first thought! But we are recovering.... 23 months of job growth. The republicans see this as BAD.
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Aimee says... February 20, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
T6:
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More Republican claptrap... I really can't decide if you NEED lobotomies or already have them...!!!
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"...the average interest rates on Treasury bills outstanding as of September 30, 2009 and 2008, were 0.3 percent and 1.6 percent, respectively"
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en.wikipedia. org/wiki/File:Interest_-_Stacked_bar_chart_2006_-_2007.png
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T6 says... February 21, 2012 at 8:14 a.m.
Reason, I guess you have read unemployment is back up to 9%, gas prices are slated to be higher this summer. If the economy is improving WHY does Pres. ZERO want to pump MORE BILLIONS into the economy. The billions from the FIRST STIMULUS was supposed to go for infrastructure. Roads, schools. The economy was starting to get bad under Bush but Zero made it much, much worse.
Guess you haven't heard people are planning for "staycations" this year. They're having a hard time just paying for gas to get to work, food for their kids, and keeping the heat on and paying for healthcare.
Speaking of vacations. I read where Mooochie took another vacation in Aspen, Co after just returning from a 17 day vacation in Hawaii. Oh yes, these parasites are sooooo concerned with the unemployed. They care nothing about the common man or how they spend money we don't have. Before you start your drivel about Bush and Reagan, THEY went HOME for vacations. The entourage the Obamas travel with costs millions. HOW MANY times have The OBAMAS been home to Chicago? He won't even stay in the White House. You'd think someone that spent close to a billion dollars to get elected would at least spend a little time there.
aimee, You have to have brain rot if you watch Bill Maher. You're always quoting him. "Life tough--- But it's tougher when you're stupid"
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Reason says... February 22, 2012 at 4:07 a.m.
T6: You really are a mad woman slinging every possible lie in hopes that something will stick. How pathetic! You and the GOP wish unemployment was higher but it is down to 8.3% with 23 months of job growth which is good for our country but bad for republicans. And "Staycations" was headline news in 2008.
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Well, duh... the President was born in Hawaii and has a home in Hawaii. Not that you really care. I'm sure that we have paid much more for a "do-nothing-congress" to be shuttled back and forth to do what? "Nothing"
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To put Obama's use of Air Force One into context, we also asked for travel data for his predecessor, President George W. Bush. Bush took 89 missions and 259 sorties in 2002, his second year as president, according to the airlift group. And in his first two years, Bush took 148 missions with 416 sorties, compared with 126 missions with 324 sorties for Obama over two years.
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T6 says... February 22, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
Reason, It's is truly amazing how simple you are. I see you're quoting from OBAMA. ORG(factcheck) again. Your go to website for all things that put OBAMA in a POSITIVE light. In case you haven't noticed "staycations" are going to be the headlines in 2012, also. People are out of work and can't afford to take lavish vacations like the Obamas take on our tax dollars. Mooochele can't wait a few hours to go with her husband. She likes to cost the taxpayers more money by taking separate security details, HER plane. Why they even fly BO back and forth.
Obamas' "home" in Hawaii is rented. Their HOUSE is in Chicago. He may pay the cost of the rent but WE pay for everything else. They have been on 16 vacations since taking office.
Accounting for trips out of Washington for several days, the total number of vacations Washington Secrets tabulated is 16, 10 where the family was together, such as for Christmas and summer vacations, one by the president and five by the first lady. Not included were Camp David visits or trips like the first family’s New York City date night in May, 2009.
According to presidential watcher Mark Knoller of CBS, George W. Bush, at this time of his presidency, had made 30 visits to his Texas ranch spanning all or part of 220 days. The Obama’s vacation day count is less than half of that.
But his have become more controversial because of the costs associated with moving the first family to a public vacation spot, unlike the Bushes to their remote ranch in Crawford, Texas.
Critics and even some in his own party say the vacations present a bad image at a time when many Americans are struggling to get by during the recession. According to recent Harris poll, only three in 10 said they plan to take a vacation lasting longer than a week in the next six months, and that number has been dropping during the recession as people worry about the costs of vacations. Other polls have found that less than half of all Americans take all the vacation time they earn because they can’t afford trips.
A $4 MILLION vacation: Separate flights, luxury hotels and plenty of golf... the price of Obama’s annual Hawaiian holiday soars...Obama's Air Force One flight estimated at $3,271,611
Total travel costs for Hawaii holiday are $3,629,622
Housing comes to $151,200 and hotels at $72,216
Hawaii Reporter estimates total cost at $4,113,038
dailymail. co. uk/news/article-2075958/Obamas-annual-holiday-Hawaii-costs-4m.html#ixzz1n7ydg2Cc
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Packman says... February 22, 2012 at 9:03 p.m.
Hey Reason - The wait is over "I'm still waiting for a list of spending cuts from those GOP years." This will take you a little out of your DNC talking points element, but look back to what was proposed by the Democrat budgets from the Bush years and what CUTS were made by Republicans. That's one heck of a list, and praise GW Bush for making those CUTS.
@Reason "Packer: List what funds the President has authority to cut." Thanks for tossing me a softball, again. Presidents make cuts via various federal department heads who manage literally billions of tax dollars. In addition to the line item veto the President has full authority NOT to spend discretionary funds. Feel free to look up the list for yourself, and you can apologize for asking such a stupid question at any time.
And Reason - Have you decided yet whether presidents control the federal budget or is it congress? Or are you still content to wallow in your ignorance by trying to have it both ways???????
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Reason says... February 22, 2012 at 10:44 p.m.
Packer: You should be sent back to school but it would be a waste of my tax dollars. You posted NO list because you don't have anything to post. The President CANNOT cut congressional obligated funds from those departments. What he can cut he has already cut. So again, you submit a blank list because it takes CONGRESS to act in order to cut. Obama does NOT have line-item veto power. The Supreme Court ruled it UNconstitutional. Congress controls the purse. Any village idiot should know that we would not go through this long drawn out process if the President or ONE chamber had the power. Pay Attention, it is democracy. Again, read the US Constitution!
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T6 says... February 23, 2012 at 12:05 a.m.
Sooooooo Reason, What do you suppose this means? "When Congress refuses to act, Joe and I are going to act,” Obama said on Tuesday, with Vice President Joe Biden at his side. “In the months to come, wherever we have an opportunity, we’re going to take steps on our own to keep this economy moving.
Sounds like he saying, ME and JOE don't need no stinking Congress or Constitution.
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Reason says... February 23, 2012 at 7:25 a.m.
T6: Why do you pretend that you care about the issues when you don't? It's kinda hypocritical to claim your concern about the Constitution when you have not read the Constitution. Kinda like people claiming to care about The Bible but have never read it. So why don't you continue to call him the Messiah and just post how you want to crucify him?
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You will have to ask your right-wing websites why they edited Obama's speech.
Text from the speech:
"When times are tough, Americans don’t give up. They push ahead. They do whatever it takes to make their lives better, their communities better and their countries better.
And with or without Congress, every day I’m going to be continuing to fight for them. I do hope Congress joins me. Instead of spending the coming months in a lot of phony political debates, focusing on the next election, I hope that we spend some time focusing on middle-class Americans and those who are struggling to get into the middle class. We’ve got a lot more work to do. Let’s do it," Obama said. {applause}
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8 years of republican spending cuts? You posted ZERO
What Obama can cut without congressional authority? You posted ZERO
I have asked to list WHAT is Unconstitutional? You posted ZERO
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You know who won the GOP debate last night? Obama ~snicker~
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T6 says... February 23, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.
Reason, Why did you leave out this part? "When Congress refuses to act, Joe and I are going to act,” Obama said on Tuesday, with Vice President Joe Biden at his side. “In the months to come, wherever we have an opportunity, we’re going to take steps on our own to keep this economy moving.
People are getting fed up with his go it alone attitude. The Strategy of the Democrats have been they bring things forth they know the Republicans WON"T go along with, so they can call them obstructionist. The Democrats cover Obamas butt and he covers theirs. The Democrats are as power hungry as Obama is or they would not let him continue to go around them. Why do we need them if he can dictate without them? The Republicans are spineless or they would be yelling about this.
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Reason says... February 23, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.
T6: Because it is NOT in the speech! duh! Here is a hint... When it only appears on right-wing websites and NOT in the main media... Look up the transcript! duh!
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The President asked Congress to act. Congress said, "NO!" The President has separation of power! Congress cannot take that power away, period! And you would know that if you would read the Constitution instead of barking because some politician barked.
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T6 says... February 23, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
Reason, How about a video in the Messiah's own words.......
cnsnews. com/news/article/obama-when-congress-refuses-act-joe-and-i-are-going-
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Reason says... February 23, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
Read the transcript:
whitehouse. gov/the-press-office/2012/02/21/remarks-president-payroll-tax-cut
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T6: It is like this... The majority of Americans voted for Obama to act. The republicans voted for congress NOT to act but to obstruct and bring this country down.
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Or did I miss something? Was the US Constitution amended to take away the President's power?
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T6 says... February 23, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
Reason, don't really care WHAT the TRANSCRIPT says.... NOt only do you not see, YOU don't hear either.......
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Jjackk says... February 23, 2012 at 6:53 p.m.
Since when does a president have to ask congress for permission? Maybe you should look at what the responsibility of the executive branch is.
Not that I like the power that the office has, but it is not like its a Democrat thing. Every president no matter who it is grabs for all the power they can. You would be very simple minded just to blame the president in office. You know, hate the game, not the player. Its not Obama or Bush, its the process and the current system paradigm. The next president will grab all he can too, guaranteed.
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Reason says... February 23, 2012 at 10:58 p.m.
Faux News barks...The sky is falling, he's going around congress, it's UN constitution, unconstitutional, it's got to stop, socialism and right-wingers bark, "That's right." The barking goes on and on. And when you ask one of the barkers, "WHAT is unconstitutional?" They whimper and growl, "We don't like it and if we don't like it... It must be unconstitutional."
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Voters have been soooo dummied down that it is pathetic!
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