Norway data shows Earth’s global warming less severe than feared
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This article was published January 27, 2013 at 10:27 a.m.
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New estimates from a Norwegian research project show meeting targets for minimizing global warming may be more achievable than previously thought.
After the planet’s average surface temperature rose through the 1990s, the increase has almost leveled off at the level of 2000, while ocean water temperature has also stabilized, the Research Council of Norway said in a statement on its website. After applying data from the past decade, the results showed temperatures may rise 1.9 degrees Celsius if Co2 levels double by 2050, below the 3 degrees predicted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
“The Earth’s mean temperature rose sharply during the 1990s,” said Terje Berntsen, a professor at the University of Oslo who worked on the study. “This may have caused us to overestimate climate sensitivity.”
The findings also show the effect of reduced airborne particulates from burning coal, which may decrease the cloud cover that cools the earth, probably has less of an impact on climate through indirect cooling than originally projected.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... January 27, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
This will get swept under the rug
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Kajon says... January 27, 2013 at 2:46 p.m.
You mght see it on Fox News. Anywhere else? Forget it.
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HotSpringsLawyer says... January 27, 2013 at 3:12 p.m.
The headline is disingenuous. Even this snippet shows that temperature is still rising, if not quite as quickly; that it will rise a LOT very soon; and that greenhouse gases (i.e., manmade emissions) will cause it.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... January 27, 2013 at 3:28 p.m.
Nice try lawyer. What part of "less severe than feared" and "new estimates from a Norwegian research project show meeting targets for minimizing global warming may be more achievable than previously thought" don't go together? See you illustrate the hypocrisy of the nutcases on both sides. You want it to read "Global warming is going to kill us all soon" and the other side wants it to say "Global warming is fake" Neither side accepts facts that are not conducive to raising money for their side.
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Reason says... January 27, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.
Norway Report:
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Climate issues must be dealt with
Terje Berntsen emphasises that his project’s findings must not be construed as an excuse for complacency in addressing human-induced global warming. The results do indicate, however, that it may be more within our reach to achieve global climate targets than previously thought.
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Regardless, the fight cannot be won without implementing substantial climate measures within the next few years.
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Full news release:
forskningsradet.no/en/Newsarticle/Global_warming_less_extreme_than_feared/1253983344535/p1177315753918?WT.ac=forside_nyhet
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JakeTidmore says... January 27, 2013 at 3:58 p.m.
The report will still need to be studied by other climate scientists and researchers. It is good news, provided the study model used holds up. There were a lot of ifs and maybes in the statement (I checked a much, much longer article online). And there will many more studies as time goes on since the stated critical point is 2050.
I certainly wouldn't advise investing in beachfront property for several decades to come. There's still a good chance it will be soggy.
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GAITOR says... January 27, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.
Who's been hyping whom?
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djigoo says... January 27, 2013 at 4:13 p.m.
From the report, and conveniently left out of FOX-In-Print, aka The DemoGaz... "In conclusion, the authors say that if nations cut back particularly on emissions of sulphate particles in the coming years, then the impact of global warming will be much less than feared."
Not that logic ever swayed the willfully ignorant...
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RonalFos says... January 27, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.
I hope this report is true. It certainly would be helpful to have more time to deal with this problem since we've been so unbelievably slow in responding to this danger. There have been other more sobering reports regarding the faster than expected melting at the poles and instability in frozen methane in the tundra and on the ocean floors.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... January 27, 2013 at 5:04 p.m.
And djigoo once again proves my point; the logical people in this thread understand what this means. In the meantime gooey and lawyer want to conveniently move this way to the left for their cause. However Fox News wants to continue to thank you gooey, for your continued support and advertising. It's no wonder they stay #1; of course Current TV, excuse me Al JazeeraQaeda, will catch them soon I am sure.
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Jjackk says... January 27, 2013 at 5:34 p.m.
Yeah, it says that what they predicted in the next twenty years will happen in the next thirty years. How is that a victory for anybody? You're still gonna argue the extra ten years.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... January 27, 2013 at 6:12 p.m.
So jjack if it is proven things are better and we can improve another 10 years again and again how is your defeatist argument going to work? However congratulations on finding a cloud in the silver lining. I'm pretty well convinced at this point the global warming folks want things to get worst just so they can say I told you so
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HotSpringsLawyer says... January 27, 2013 at 6:29 p.m.
Aint, the Earth and the Sun - which one orbits the other? Science is neither "liberal" nor wingnut. I do agree that there is little we can do when China, India, and emerging nations continue to scale up their burning geometrically.
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cliffcarson says... January 27, 2013 at 8:50 p.m.
Right you are Hot Springs Lawyer... "....there is little we can do when China, India, and emerging nations continue to scale up their burning geometrically."
I noticed in today's news that China's Economy rose by 8%. And India is experiencing growth. These two Countries lead the way in pollution of the atmosphere. And their Economies and therefore their pollution have increased radically in the previous dozen years, yet....
From the Article:
"After the planet’s average surface temperature rose through the 1990s, the increase has almost leveled off at the level of 2000, while ocean water temperature has also stabilized, the Research Council of Norway said in a statement on its website. After applying data from the past decade, the results showed temperatures may rise 1.9 degrees Celsius if Co2 levels double by 2050, below the 3 degrees predicted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change."
If the average surface temperature has leveled off and the Ocean water temperature has stabilized, then soon the CO2 Concentration should soon begin to ebb. Why?
The surface and the Ocean are CO2 sinks and according to physics, the cooler these sinks are, the more CO2 they can absorb. That is why the Ice Cores show that the temperature rise precedes the CO2 rise instead of the temperature rise following the CO2 rise.
Hello out there, since coming out of the Little Ice Age in 1780, the earth's land surface and Oceans have been warming up. Naturally occurring CO2 is 97.3% of the yearly output, so this warming affects the amount of natural Carbon Dioxide that the Earth can absorb. This is the real culprit causing increased levels. You might expect the Earth to warm up when coming out of an Ice Age. But not Al Gore and those with an Agenda - no sir E, we're all going to burn up sooner or later, they say. These cool down/warm up cycles last between 500 and 800 years, so some time between 2030 and 2080, the cool down should start, then those with an Agenda will be trying to find a way to make the Taxpayer pay for the avoidance scheme.
On the other hand we are poisoning the Earth with our emissions. We will die from that long before we have to worry about Global Warming. Now that is a real reason to control emissions.
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RonalFos says... January 27, 2013 at 10:06 p.m.
So, you don't think global warming is a problem now? What about people on the east coast who were hit by Sandy being been told that they must spend between $30,000 to $60,000 to raise their homes or face flood insurance that could end up being over $10,000 per year. More severe storms and rising ocean levels are going to cost trillions and sooner rather than later.
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HotSpringsLawyer says... January 28, 2013 at 8:43 a.m.
CC, I have thought ever since they taught us about global warming at college in the 70s that equilibrium factors such as you describe (along with increased radiatikn of heat into space) might mitigate some of the temperature rise, but it is still going to rise. The scariest thing is if we hit some sort of "tipping point" where there is a sudden change, like a diversion of the flow of the Gulf Stream.
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cliffcarson says... January 28, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.
Yes you are right HotSpringsLawyer, the temperature is still going to rise until the inflection point is reached somewhere between 2030 and 2080. When that occurs the earth will go into its 300 year cool down cycle. These cycles have occurred throughout earths history with amazing predictability.
As to hitting a tipping point, that has happen at times, and the result was either a completely frozen over earth or a almost complete tropical jungle earth. But at no time when these "tipping points" were reached did human output into the atmosphere have anything to do with it.
A real truism is that when the earth goes into a cool down cycle the temperature of earth's surface and oceans will cool down and also the Carbon Dioxide concentration will fall and when the point of inflection on the cycle is reached the earth will warm up dragging the Carbon Dioxide concentration up with it.
Equally true is that during times of civilization such as now, there will be a charlatan out there trying to make money by scaring the people. Back in the 60's you might remember and into the 70's some of the world's leading scientists were urging us to prepare for the oncoming Ice Age. In fact one of the main scientists leading the Ice Age scare is now one of the leading scientists pumping the Climate change scare - the one and the same. He should have been a politician.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... January 28, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
CliffCarson is the only person I could ever agree with about global warming, and his politics and mine are not on the same side of the ballfield.
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HotSpringsLawyer says... January 28, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.
CC, nice to have a reasoned discussion. Charlatans will alays abound. I read a science fiction story once where the Luddites shut down all science and industry and then found, to their dismay, that the warming caused by human-caused greenhouse gases had been the only thing holding off a new ice age. Although I am troubled that you seem so certain how it will turn out when almost nobody else is. Cause of climate chage is not nearly as important as what, if anything, we can do to make things better.
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cliffcarson says... January 28, 2013 at 8:02 p.m.
We do need to control what we put into the atmosphere. The problem is that China and other Nations won't go along with protecting our environment. Being politicians they always want someone else to sacrifice, but not themselves.
The regularity of the warm up/ cool down is almost as regular as night and day if one should wish to do some research. What I have predicted is nothing other than an observation of what has been happening for as long as life has walked the earth.
There has been short periods on earth where the CO2 concentration is about 20 times what it is now and there have been times when the concentration has been less than what it is now. It is always tied to the cycles I have spoken of, with exceptions when Super Volcanoes have erupted.
I really prefer to have sane conservations such as has been going on during this thread.
I too, am a strong reader of Science Fiction. I liked the Dune Series, A Canticle for Lebowitz, The Illustrated Man, well I don't even want to start. Its kind of like Peanut Brittle or Mixed salted nuts, once you start, stopping is almost impossible.
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Packman says... January 28, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
Hey cliffcarson- Thanks for reasoned information based on critical thought.
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Mikeej says... January 28, 2013 at 8:43 p.m.
Global warming may cause sectional cooling if it continues. The melting ice water in Greenland finds its way to the ground under the ice sheets. If enough water lifts the ice sheets ---- shwooosh, all the ice is dumped on the thermohaline circulation currents and shunts them (short circuts the Northward travel of warm water). This mini-ice age may reach North Dakota latitudes..... OR NOT! The melting of the Polar Caps yields more non-reflective blue water to absorb the sun's energy and may mute or modify the warmth lost from a shorted thermohaline travel. Like Forrest Gump, we may come out alright inspite of bungling our way through life.... OR NOT!! IT's complicated.
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RonalFos says... January 29, 2013 at 8:20 a.m.
Even if there is some natural process that accounting for some warming there are two facts that can't be ignored. CO2 is a heat trapping gas in the atmosphere and we humans are dumping gigatons of it in the air every year and we are currently over 100 parts per million over the atmospheric levels that existed before the industrial revolution. That is a 1/3 increase. That is causing temps to rise regardless of any other natural cycle and would be in fact adding on to natural cycles. Most inportantly, it's something we can control.
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cliffcarson says... January 29, 2013 at 5:53 p.m.
RonalFos
I disagree. We cannot control the amount of industrial gasses in our atmosphere unless the big polluter Nations get on board. But it looks like they are not going to.
You might have noticed that I stated natural occurring CO2 accounts for 97.3% of all CO2 released into the atmosphere. Keep in mind that every animal alive and that includes man, breathes out CO2 after breathing in air that contains C02 and Oxygen among other things - we absorb the oxygen. So that leaves 2.7% of all the CO2 released each year is released by living animals including Industrial C02.
I also said that as the earth warms up because of coming out of the Little Ice Age, the natural sinks have less ability to absorb C02.
Yes Industrial wastes do cause a percent of the 2.7% C02 not naturally occurring but the increase since the Industrial Revolution started, which coincidentally is about the same time the earth began to start warming up because of the end of the Little Ice Age, contributes about 1 ten thousandth of 1% to the annual rise of C02.
The Earth is warming up, that's a fact. But the contribution from Industry is miniscule. I do, however think mankind would be well served to stop poisoning our fishbowl environment. This will get us someday if we don't do something, but the loud argument over Global Warming which will never kill us off, drowns out the people like me who warn of a catastrophe occurring daily - we are poisoning our atmosphere.
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