Elliott files in-state-tuition proposal
By The Associated Press
This article was published March 11, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.
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Some illegal aliens would be able to pay in-state tuition rates at Arkansas colleges and universities under a proposal a state lawmaker introduced Monday that aims to provide more education opportunities for students who entered the country as children.
Sen. Joyce Elliott’s proposal would grant in-state tuition rates to anyone who has attended an Arkansas high school for at least three years and has an Arkansas high school diploma or general education diploma in the state.
Supporters say it would more fairly treat students who came to the U.S. illegally as children and who currently have to pay higher out-of-state rates despite having grown up and gone to school here.
Out-of-state tuition rates in Arkansas are about twice the in-state rates. In fall 2012, about 12.5 percent of the 156,252 students who were enrolled in public colleges and universities paid out-of-state tuition, said Arkansas Department of Higher Education spokesman Brandi Hinkle.
Still, Elliott last week downplayed the immigration angle of the measure, which will likely face challenges in the newly Republican-controlled Legislature.
“This is an education bill,” Elliott, D-Little Rock, said Friday. “It is not an immigration bill.”
She did not immediately return a phone call Monday.
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penber says... March 11, 2013 at 12:15 p.m.
If you are not a legal resident of the United States then how can you be a legal resident of Arkansas? Of course, children have no control over where their parents raise them but that does not justify a 50% discount in tuition for illiegal immigrants. Why would we give a preference to undocumented aliens and not legal citizens of the state of Texas?
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Poorboy says... March 11, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
Illegals need to go back home.
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drs01 says... March 11, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
Elliot is doing what all good liberals do, use catch phrases like "this is about education" to mask the real intent which is to slowly legitimize the ILLEGALS who are here, regardless of how or when. Until we fix the border crossing, we don't need to pass questionable legislation. Elliot should know better, but that's not a requirement to be a liberal democrat in the Arkansas legislature. Consider the source. Elliot had one of those "fancy title" feel good jobs with UALR until someone discovered that she could not legally hold the position.
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LevyRat says... March 11, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
How about free tuition for everyone? How about a free phone for everyone? How about a big fat check each week for setting on your arse? How about free utilities for everyone? How about free groceries for everyone?
Well Joyce, someone has to pay! When you are not a legal resident, most likely they and their parent didn't pay taxes in Arkansas. That is why people from other states pay higher tuition than an Arkansas resident when the attend a university supported by OUR ARKANSAS TAXES!!!!!
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GiveUsLiberty says... March 11, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
NO TAX MONEY FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS! We (the USA) spend more than the amount saved by the sequester each year on NON-CITIZENS. Joyce can take her bill and stick it back in her case; it will go no where in today's Arkansas Legislature.
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maelstrom says... March 11, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
Well, this is where y'all might ask me to hand over my 'Republican in Good Standing' card, because I support this on its face. At least two other R's do, too, because there are two R co-sponsors to the bill. I reserve the right to change my mind after I read the details, but I think it's a good idea. I never thought I'd say that about anything Elliot came up with.
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dutchoven says... March 11, 2013 at 2:14 p.m.
How in the world does this woman continue to get elected. She no more cares about illegal aliens than the man in the moon, with the exception for future votes. but since they are illegal, they can't vote, unless she wants illegals to have that right too! If they are not a citizen of this country they, they should not get tuition money. I pay taxes, and could not a dime for my children's college eduation.
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drs01 says... March 11, 2013 at 2:22 p.m.
Joyce gets elected because her district is heavily populated with blacks who will vote for other blacks before they support a more competent candidate of any other ethic background. She is no different than many others who are fixtures in the state capitol. Most of them are white. One is now been elevated to the top of the Arkansas political
food chain...he's governor. And so it goes.
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inquire says... March 11, 2013 at 3:17 p.m.
I do not approve of in state tuition for anyone here illegally. Maybe for LEGAL aliens with no record who can show they have been paying state taxes; that is a gray area. But no way should illegals have this privilege.
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penber says... March 11, 2013 at 3:26 p.m.
Maelstrom please do reconsider supporting this bad bill. We are not preventing these undocumented children from attending Arkansas institutions - we only insist that they pay the full non-resident tuition rate. If anyone is in the US (and Arkansas) illegally, they cannot be a resident. Period.
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Populist says... March 11, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.
Kudos to the kids who have enough brains to go to college! It is much preferable for taxpayers to encourage people to go to school than to end up supporting people who cannot support themselves. The correlation between education levels and the economic wellbeing of a community is huge. Arkansans need to stop thinking that they save money by being cheap about education.
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inquire says... March 11, 2013 at 3:46 p.m.
Populist, I don't think anyone is against in state tuition for legal residents of this state. Many of us have taken advantage of it. But when we bestow a benefit meant for legal residents on people who are here illegally, it is like an open invitation to come here illegally, blatantly disregard our laws, and know that you will be rewarded for it. This is a slap in the face to all the legal residents and taxpayers who make this benefit possible. I have no sympathy with law breakers. People need to know that if they want their kids to have in state tuition in Arkansas, they must come here legally and make a LEGAL home for their children.
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mkm157 says... March 11, 2013 at 4:46 p.m.
Hell why not? The U of A in Fayetteville gives away boat loads of money to people from Texas and Kansas to lower their tuition to in state levels at the expense of in state students with better academic credentials. My kid had a 30 on the ACT and 3.75GPA and the U of A gave her not one thin dime! One of her classmates from Texas had a 26 on the ACT and a 3.25 GPA and got $10,000 of Arkansas taxpayer money. They say it is for diversity (BS).
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HotSpringsLawyer says... March 11, 2013 at 5:20 p.m.
We should embrace the presence of hard-working kids who grew up here and want to pursue higher education in their home state. I hope it passes but the haters will probably block it.
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Coralie says... March 11, 2013 at 6:14 p.m.
College education is close to getting priced out of anybody's range.
From 1978 to 2008 "Cost of living increased roughly 3.25-fold during this time; medical costs inflated roughly 6-fold; but college tuition and fees inflation approached 10-fold."
en. wikipedia. org/wiki/College_tuition_in_the_United_States#Disproportional_inflation_of_college_costs
The total amount of college loan debt could crash the economy (again).
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Coralie says... March 11, 2013 at 6:16 p.m.
Most of the comments here show the tendency to see all issues in terms of scapegoats and either/or, while neglecting most of the real problems that face us.
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larry53 says... March 11, 2013 at 8:46 p.m.
What's in it for Elliott? Of all the crooks in our state government, she's one of, if not the, biggest of all. She's making money on this somehow or other, you can bet your last dollar!
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TheBatt says... March 11, 2013 at 10:56 p.m.
One might also ask why someone here illegally is even allowed to enroll in our state colleges and universities...
And another 100% surety - if this passes, the very next bill will be to open up the scholarship lottery to illegals...
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JIMBOB47 says... March 12, 2013 at 5:38 a.m.
Why don't we just let "all the children" live with Elliot and SHE can support them on all her ill-gotten tax dollars? If she is so much about "the children" (as all bleeding-heart liberals are), let her foot the bill.
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Populist says... March 12, 2013 at 6:38 a.m.
Inquire,
You respect "the law" a little too much. If you lived in crime ridden Mexico or in dire poverty in South America and you wanted a better life for your children, you would not come to this country to work and provide a better life for your family because it was against a law? What if you were a Jew living in Nazi occupied Germany? Was it wrong for those people to flee "the law?" My husband's father tried to get his parents and a sister and her children visas to the United States in 1939, but could not. They died in concentration camps. While I am a law abiding citizen, if circumstances made it so that I needed to break a law to provide for my children, I don't think that I would be above breaking it.
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gabe816 says... March 12, 2013 at 6:39 a.m.
I just read down far enough to see that Joyce is behind this bill. When she is for
a bill, 90% of the time it is a bad one.
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Populist says... March 12, 2013 at 7:30 a.m.
Mike Huckabee also was for illegal students getting in-state tuition as long as they graduated from an Arkansas high school.
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lazybar says... March 12, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
one what part of illegals do you not understand?why not take care of our own?lets make sure every american child has a chance of a good education and maybe even some that have parents trying to become citizens but be cutting cost for illegals is like rewarding someone for stealing
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NoUserName says... March 12, 2013 at 10:02 a.m.
Look. This 'newspaper' reported a few months back that the state MAKES $7 for every $1 spent on Hispanics. The article also indicated that approximately 40% of Hispanics are illegal. Therefore, the state MAKES money on illegals. Also, I would much rather subsidize somebody wanting to have a better life by going to college than, say, welfare mom with 7 kids. That being said, I think in-state tuition should be limited to legal residents. And I think Elliot should be sent packing. She's a disgrace.
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GAITOR says... March 12, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
Great! Let's give aliens one more insentive to come to AR and suck money out of the government trough at the taxpayers' expense. This has nothing to do with education, it is all about immigation. Elliott has read the liberal/socialist palybook and taken it to heart. She is as insincere as the Liar in Chief when he taks about fiscal compromises.
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Got2Kids says... March 12, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
I have to agree with NoUserName. I would much rather subsidize a college education than continue to pay incentives to reproduce, etc. But, in order to stay away from that slippery slope it has to be limited to legal aliens.
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Populist says... March 12, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.
Arkansas needs all the well educated citizens that it can get. There are too many lazy and ignorant whites and blacks in Arkansas. Anybody who wants to go to college should be encouraged. Arkansas has one of the lowest rates of attending college in the nation. Businesses want to locate elsewhere because the Arkansas citizens are too fat and ignorant. The taxpayers should be thrilled by anybody wanting to go to college or to attend weight watchers. Blocking the hispanic kids from attending college is a bad idea in a state where too many of the white and black kids do not want to go.
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Packman says... March 12, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
Anyone know why out of state tuiton is higher? It costs no more to educate a kid from Texas at UofA Fayetteville than a kid from Fayetteville, so why charge more? If illegals are suddenly charged in-state fees will the lost funding be made up elsewhere? If so, where? I tend to like the bill. The kids of illegals had no choice about their parents' illegal actions. Fair is fair, and if the kids are legitimate residents, as opposed to legitimate citizens, they meet the in-state resident requirements. On the other side of the coin, with a straight face how do you tell a US citizen parent from Dallas their kid will be charged twice the tuition to attend UofA as an illegal resident parent's kid from Fayetteville? Are we talking fairness or making educational opportunities available to the greatest extent possible? If the latter is the case, why have differing tuition at all?
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Coralie says... March 12, 2013 at 11:34 a.m.
Outstanding student loan debt in the U.S. has hit $1 Trillion.
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Like health care, higher education is much more costly in the U.S. than in comparable nations. Why?
According to Business Insider, countries with much lower tuition fees include Canada (average $5,974), England & Wales ($5,288), Germany ($933), and Sweden, France, Denmark, and Norway ($530-600).
The average tuition cost in the U.S. is $13,856.
businessinsider. com/tuition-costs-by-country-college-higher-education-2012-6#
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Coralie says... March 12, 2013 at 11:35 a.m.
I know you don't want to do anything but beat up on Joyce Elliot and Hispanic immigrants.
A lot of these threads are mostly hate-fests.
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BillSmith says... March 12, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
Poorboy.... You need to wake up from your dream, it ain't gona happen. Some rational and logical plan needs to be preposed and let's get this behind us, and move on securing the borders and bringing down the debt as the economy picks up, which is already happening.
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NoUserName says... March 12, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.
Right...Coralie logic: if yer against Joyce Elliott, yer a racist hater. Yeah, that's it. Meanwhile, people like you can keep re-electing her.
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SoonerHawg says... March 12, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
Packman says... "Anyone know why out of state tuiton is higher? It costs no more to educate a kid from Texas at UofA Fayetteville than a kid from Fayetteville, so why charge more? "
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Uhhhmmm....because, as a taxpayer-funded institution, it IS fair that people (via their kids) get a credit of some sort for paying the taxes that they pay. Thus, it is unfair for an out of state student (or in-state illegal) who has not paid taxes to get that same benefit.
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HotSpringsLawyer says... March 12, 2013 at 3 p.m.
Very few traditional students have paid any taxes at all before attending college.
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HotSpringsLawyer says... March 12, 2013 at 3:10 p.m.
Best I can tell the U of A generally requires a physical residence period of six months to qualify for in-state tuition. That's right -- six months.
So a child whose parents brought her here when she was, say, five years old, and she has lived here ever since, should not qualify? That seems just plain mean to me, for what it is worth. And this is just a human, not legal, opinion.
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Coralie says... March 12, 2013 at 3:58 p.m.
Joyce Elliot has not appeared on my ballot here in Northwest Arkansas and I actually know very little about her.
But regardless of the subject, I can tell a hate-fest from a discussion.
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MichelR6 says... March 12, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.
I’m pretty sure these adolescents’ parents brought them here for the same reasons our ancestors did and becoming legal was not as long or costly of a process as it is today. You can't just move here illegally and get the instate tuition. The bill clarifies that. So I don't see how that would motivate more people to come here illegally.
Why give it to them instead of legal residents of other states?
Because those students will most likely go back to their residential states, taking your investing tax payer dollars with them. These undocumented students however want to study here because this is what they consider their permanent home, and if something is reached at the federal level, may become tax payers as well. This bill does not give them a path to citizenship or any legal status by the way, just a chance to pay what their classmates do and with no opportunities toward federal or state aide. These STUDENTS have lived here the majority of their lives, therefore are residents of this state at heart. They did not choose the circumstances in which they find themselves in and we should be encouraging their fight for equal access to higher education, not bashing it.
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Packman says... March 12, 2013 at 4:37 p.m.
Hey SoonerHawg and Michel - Thanks for helping me get past a mental block. Now, reckon how many of these kids will qualify for free government grants to pay for their "higher" education? Would such a policy encourage illegal immigration? And if so, is the tradeoff to make college more affordable worth it to society?
Hey Coralie - Why is it anytime anyone disagrees with you you always refer to it as hate? Questioning assertions is not hate. Albert Einstein might have called it enlightenment. I have no idea why college is so expensive but remember reading one of the major cost factors is all the administrative stuff on campus that has little or nothing to do with classsroom learning. Look through the UofA campus directory at all the offices that seem to be more interested in political correctness and "student support" than quality education. The "why" part of your post is very important.
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Populist says... March 12, 2013 at 7:46 p.m.
On issues regarding loan defaults and the benefits to society....Some of the degree mills which operate to give a college degree to those who were not good high school students need to be shut down. They are just selling a false American dream to the unworthy, and people who should not be in higher education are running up big loans that they cannot repay. However, the economy prospers when the citizens are better educated and have more degrees from accredited institutions which are worth the price of tuition. While a bad economy has caused some of the young people to struggle, they will rise through the ranks with hard work and perseverence. When the babyboomers retire, there will be plenty of work. We especially need to encourage young people to major in nursing and medical fields. When you look at the ADG top jobs, there are always plenty of medical jobs advertised. It is a shame that we have to import so many people from other countries to do the work that we are not qualified to do.
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Coralie says... March 13, 2013 at 1:53 p.m.
To quote myself: "A lot of these threads are mostly hate-fests."
A great many people do not seem to be aware that their opinions are largely based on blaming somebody or other, whether it's poor people, racial minorities, Muslims, Europe, poor people, unemployed people, people on disability, immigrants, Spanish speaking people, socialists, leftists, atheists, lawyers, Democrats, Republicans, scientists, environmentalists, homeless, Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Al Gore, women, men, or whoever,
A hate-fest is when a number of people post their agreement in blaming everything on some certain group or individual. Piling on. for a dozen posts or more.
Even if you don't listen to Rush Limbaugh, his style has infected a large segment of the populace.
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lazybar says... March 13, 2013 at 2:31 p.m.
you left out the rich and bush,you know the ones the liberals blame for all thier problems
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Pobucker says... March 13, 2013 at 2:53 p.m.
And guns. What people with "common sense" blame for murders.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... March 13, 2013 at 9:17 p.m.
Coralie you should have left Republicans out of your post; it would have made it more genuine. Anyone can read between the lines in what you said; if not you would have added groups like Christians, capitalists, rich people, Bush, Reagan, Karl Rove, Boehner, etc, etc, etc. As it is you are saying conservatives blame others and engage in "hatefests". Apparently Bill Maher, Keith Olbermann, Ashley Judd, etc are happy people who never blame anyone.
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Coralie says... March 14, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
Redwings, I included both Democrats and Republicans--can you read?
Please show me a thread on this ADG blog that starts out with 10 or so people piling on to G.W. Bush, Karl Rove, Reagan, Christians (?!), etc.
I'm talking about a style of "discussion" that is nothing but insults and abuse, that demonstrates crowd psychology and vigilante justice.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... March 14, 2013 at 2:26 p.m.
Coralie I said you SHOULD HAVE LEFT REPUBLICANS OUT OF YOUR POST. You are asking if I can read? I'm pretty sure if I told you to leave Republicans out of your post I READ IT. Asking about a thread that starts out blasting Republicans and acting like that does not happen is absurd beyond belief, but you keep believing that in your little insulated world where Republicans are all evil and Democrats are perfect. Sorry I forgot we are supposed to be nice to the 83 year olds no matter what they say.
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NoUserName says... March 14, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
So...Coralie is attacking people for allegedly attacking people. Do you have anything worthwhile to add the discussion? No, I expect not.
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Packman says... March 14, 2013 at 4:25 p.m.
Hey Coralie - Pot meet kettle. Hypocrite meet hypocrisy. How can you ignore the constant blame BH Obama and liberals place on GW Bush, guns, and "the rich" and ever be taken seriously with critics of others? Answer: You can't be taken seriously. Now, help answer "why" the cost of a college education has soared in recent years? Within a typical institution of higher learning's budget, what are the major cost factors? If salaries are a major cost factor, and only a small percentage of an institution's salaries are paid to professors, for what purpose does the remainder serve? You pose a good question. Now answer it.
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BillSmith says... March 14, 2013 at 5:29 p.m.
The problem with the right wing nuts is that they do not adhear to the philosiphy of "Live and Let Live", they want "it's our way or the highway". There days are numbered thankfully, the country is going more liberal every day as the old WASP die off and the young people adopt "Live and Let Live" and because you are different than me I do not hate You.
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Coralie says... March 14, 2013 at 6:04 p.m.
I still cannot understand why Redwings wants me to leave out Republicans in the list of targets of abuse when he/she goes on to say that they ARE targets of abuse.
Something doesn't compute here.
"Asking about a thread that starts out blasting Republicans and acting like that does not happen is absurd beyond belief."
Sorry, I just haven't ever seen it here on the ADG. Can you cite any particular time or particular political issue?
Packman says "How can you ignore the constant blame BH Obama and liberals place on GW Bush, guns, and "the rich."
First of all, we were talking about ADG threads, and a STYLE of discussion that starts out with what I would call outrage memes, and a bunch of people tearing down the same individual or group. All too reminiscent of a lynch mob.
Second, it is pure myth that Obama was ever constantly blaming GW Bush. Quote me some quotes, willya?
I don't think it is "blame" to ask millionaires to pay their fair share of taxes. Even multi-billionaire Warren Buffett agrees with that.
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Coralie says... March 14, 2013 at 6:17 p.m.
Rewings says "your little insulated world where Republicans are all evil and Democrats are perfect."
My political preference is Green, and I find Democrats far from perfect. In fact they are way too much like Republicans.
I find many things to criticize about Obama--but not from the same perspective that you have.
"Sorry I forgot we are supposed to be nice to the 83 year olds"
I can hold my own with younger people who don't know a logical fallacy from a summer sausage, and I haven't noticed anybody being particularly nice, anyway.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... March 14, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
Coralie I really hate to see your mind slipping like it is; you just cannot comprehend so I am not going to even attempt to discuss it with you.
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T6 says... March 14, 2013 at 9:53 p.m.
Coralie... how many on ADG have parroted the Obama meme of blame Bush for the two wars of Iraq and Afghanistan and Medicare Part D drug prescription.
How many times has your dear Comrade Obama said I , We inherited etc, etc, etc?
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Coralie says... March 15, 2013 at 1:39 p.m.
So you can't tell the difference between someone pointing out that Bush doubled the national debt with his wars and unfunded prescription law, or that the economic meltdown occurred on his watch--and a hatefest on a newspaper blog that is mostly composed of insults and abuse?
It is hopeless to argue with people who lack discrimination and discernment.
I would have to slip back pretty far to match you.
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Packman says... March 15, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.
Hey BillSmith - "the old WASP die off....." Wow. Did you really just say that. Reckon what Coralie thinks about such a statement, she being 83 years young but of the general venacular of which you speak? Wow.......
Coralie - As to providing "quotes" on BH blaming Bush, that would be as dumb as asking someone to provide proof the sun rises in the east. Please do us all a favor and do a Google search with the words "Obama" Bush" "economy" and "inherited". You will literally receive thousands of examples where BH blamed Bush. Substitute the word "war" for "economy" and you will receive thousands more hits. Surely, you aren't serious?
Lastly, would you mind saying what you consider to be a "fair share" for someone to pay in federal income tax who earned $1 million/yr? Please also provide the basis of your fairness doctrine.
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Pobucker says... March 15, 2013 at 3:53 p.m.
Imagine a day without illegal mexican aliens breaking our laws...
Guess that's hard since they're ILLEGAL!!
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Populist says... March 15, 2013 at 4:37 p.m.
Packman,
The people making about one million are paying a pretty hefty sum and it is about fair now. The Democrats and Republicans need to make some cuts to oversized agencies. We don't need the number of bureaucrats we have now. The Republicans need to stop talking about throwing money to their friends in the defense industry. Birth control and prenatal care should be free to cut down on the number of unwanted and sick children. Welfare recipients should have to work for long term benefits.
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inquire says... March 15, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.
The infrastructure in this country is a mess. Republicans have been voting against bills that would have put able bodied people to work for a while fixing the roads and bridges.
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Populist says... March 15, 2013 at 9:04 p.m.
Inquire,
The Republicans always want to cut everything that is good for us in the long run. They are all against education, good health, and infrastructure. They are all for war and big bombs. I do think that abortion in the late stages is rather barbaric. The Spartans used to leave disabled babies out to die.
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Coralie says... March 16, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.
"Welfare recipients should have to work for long term benefits."
You do know that AFDC was reformed in 1996? But AFDC was such a lovely scapegoat that people are still attacking it 17 years after its demise.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... March 16, 2013 at 2:17 p.m.
The Republicans always want to cut everything that is good for us in the long run. They are all against education, good health, and infrastructure. They are all for war and big bombs.
Populist I am for education, good health, and infrastructure. I am for war IF it makes sense. I teach my kids about giving time and money to charity, manners, making good grades, and working hard. I also remind them a lot that life isn't fair. I am a Republican. You need to lose the absolutes to make more sense
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Packman says... March 16, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
Hey Populist - "The Democrats and Republicans need to make some cuts to oversized agencies........"The Republicans always want to cut everything that is good for us in the long run." Consider these two statements and the context of both. Populist, your mouth must be wider than Rosie O'Donnell's arse since you speak out of both sides of it so often. Which is it? Do Republicans want to "cut everything that is good for us" or do they make cuts of "need"? Mike Huckabee championed kids health like no other Arkansas governor. JP Hammerschmidt brought more roads money to Arkansas than any other Rep ever. GW Bush pushed for innovative education reforms that improved educational attainment across America. Your statement is worse than silly hyperbole, it's just stupid.
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Populist says... March 16, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
Hammerschmidt and Huckabee aren't in Congress. I've supported both those men in the past. I'm talking about some of the idiots who want tax breaks for multimillionaires, increased spending for the defense industry, no restrictions on polluters, and severe cuts in anything which benefits the little people. Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor are right behind the Koch brothers on my list of people I dislike.
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Packman says... March 17, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
Hey Populist - ..."idiots who want tax breaks for multimillionaires...." You talking about the idiot governor of Arkansas who supported tax breaks to locate a steel mill in Arkansas? That would be a Democrat idiot. ..."increased spending for the defense industr...." You mean like the kind Mark Pryor voted for countless times. That would be a Democrat idiot. ..."no restrictions on polluters...." Either show where Cantor or Ryan voted to rescind ALL environmental restrictions or apologize immediately. "......and severe cuts in anything which benefits the little people." Please define "severe" cuts and "little people. You may find as many D's supported such proposals as R's. Your hatred of all things truly conservative has warped your mind, Pop. Lay off the juice for a day or so and see if it helps.
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Populist says... March 17, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.
Packman,
I am not a huge fan of many of the Democrats either, and I distrustful of many politicians. I also am not anti-conservative on every issue as I find abortion in later stages to be a barbaric practice, and I am very conservative on the issue of punishing criminals. I don't understand why lenient legislators, judges, and parole boards keep on letting criminals run free. I also believe that Obama and the Democrats should cut more government programs. The little people I support are the working people who make little or moderate wages. They are the heart of our nation, and if they do not do well, the whole country suffers.
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