Landmark gun bills signed in Colorado
By The Associated Press
This article was published March 20, 2013 at 11:02 a.m.
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DENVER — Gov. John Hickenlooper signed bills Wednesday that place new restrictions on firearms and signaled a change for Democrats who traditionally shied away from gun-control debate in Colorado.
Hickenlooper's signature of the bills comes exactly eight months after dozens of people were shot in a movie theater in suburban Denver, the day after the executive director of the state's Corrections Department was shot and killed at his home.
Police were searching for the person who killed Tom Clements, and trying to figure out whether the attack was related to his job.
The bills require background checks for private and online gun sales and ban ammunition magazines that hold more than 15 rounds.
Read tomorrow's Arkansas Democrat-Gazette for full details.
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Nate says... March 20, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
The gun bills in Colorado seems to be the least that can be done and that is so unfortunate but I still blame our media in this country who for some reason has abandoned what I believe is one of its basic responsiblity; inform and educate! I have yet to see any articles talking about the number of gun related deaths in the United States annually (30,000 +) or any statistics relating to what seemingly is everybody's reason to have a gun...the right to protect ones self, family and property while statistically that occurs in less than 2% instances where guns have been involved (deaths or injuries). But more importantly I wish that at least one of the parent's from the Newtown massacre would allow pictures to be shown of their child so people could gain a perspective of what a 223.caliber round does to a body and especially a childs body. From what I do understand, legislation being discussed now still leaves over 2,000 weapons on the table to be legally purchased. No, I'm not impressed with those who try and make the argument that the 2nd Amendment guaranteeds this right to have whatever weapon that is available.
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craw123 says... March 20, 2013 at 12:04 p.m.
So I guess the two percent aren't important. It would if you had been among two percent.
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SUPERDUTY says... March 20, 2013 at 1:11 p.m.
Oh Nate, you should move to a country that does not allow guns. I think you would be much happier. And, by the way, a .223 was not used at Sandy Hook. The 2nd Amendment was written to protect the people from tyranny, which will, if you open your eyes, come about if a lot of our politicians get their way. If you are stupid enought to think criminals and wackos will surrender their guns, I hope you are never confronted with one of them.
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Pobucker says... March 20, 2013 at 1:23 p.m.
And I am not impressed with you, NATE. You, who so flippantly give away rights YOU don't care about, without regard to those who DO care. Yah, not impressed with you...
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Coralie says... March 20, 2013 at 1:33 p.m.
Superduty (and numerous others) says "The 2nd Amendment was written to protect the people from tyranny."
How do you explain the first part of the 2nd Amendment which says "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state..." together with Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution (Powers of Congress) which describes that militia as follows:
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress."
Execute laws and defend the government against insurrection NOT arm the populace to attack the government.
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Pobucker says... March 20, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
Its really simple, Coralie.
I'm afraid that won't help you understand, though.
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Pobucker says... March 20, 2013 at 1:44 p.m.
10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
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Pobucker says... March 20, 2013 at 1:46 p.m.
I am a member of the unorganized militia. Do not infringe (do you know what infringe means?) on my right to keep and bear arms.
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1soni says... March 20, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
Pobucker - Would you claim that your unorganized militia is "well regulated"?
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inquire says... March 20, 2013 at 3:48 p.m.
The constitution provides for a WELL ORGANIZED militia. A bunch of private gun nuts with the kind of firepower no respectable private citizen needs are not a well organized militia. They are a danger to themselves and others.
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Pobucker says... March 20, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
heh, like I said....
*grin*
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LETSBEREALISTIC says... March 20, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
This just shows what happens in a state run by liberal left morons. Makes no sense when one examines the facts and statistics. This only makes dumb people feel good before they are shot by a criminal because they cannot have a gun to defend themselves with.
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Firefighter says... March 20, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
Long time Anti-Gun Advocate State Senator R.C. Soles, 74, shot one of two intruders at his home just outside Tabor City , N.C. about 5 p.m. Sunday, the prosecutor for the politician's home county said.
The intruder, Kyle Blackburn, was taken to a South Carolina hospital, but the injuries were not reported to be life-threatening, according to Rex Gore, district attorney for Columbus, Bladen and Brunswick counties..
The State Bureau of Investigation and Columbus County Sheriff's Department are investigating the shooting, Gore said. Soles, who was not arrested, declined to discuss the incident Sunday evening.
"I am not in a position to talk to you," Soles said by telephone. "I'm right in the middle of an investigation."
The Senator, who has made a career of being against gun ownership for the general public, didn't hesitate to defend himself with his own gun when he believed he was in immediate danger and he was the victim.
In typical hypocritical liberal fashion, the "Do as I say and not as I do" Anti-Gun Activist Lawmaker picked up his gun and took action in what apparently was a self-defense shooting. Why hypocritical you may ask? It is because his long legislative record shows that the actions that he took to protect his family, his own response to a dangerous life threatening situation, are actions that he feels ordinary citizens should not have if they were faced with an identical situation.
It has prompted some to ask if the Senator believes his life and personal safety is more valuable than yours or mine.
But, this is to be expected from those who believe they can run our lives, raise our kids, and protect our families better than we can.
'Nough said"
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Packman says... March 20, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.
OK libs, where are your arguments about the waste associated with a state passing a law that on it's face seems to be over-the-top unconstitutional? You were loud and proud in your "unconstitutional" rant when it came to passing laws to save unborn children, but deafeningly silent when it comes to a state law that on it's face is against the constitution of the United States? Even though nowhere in the US Constitution will you find the words "the right to an abortion on demand for convenience sake of the mother"...... Which is to merely point out the hypocrisy of the lunatic left.
The State of Colorado had the right to pass the bill. The NRA has the right to sue to show it unconstitutional. Supporters have a right to allow emotion to rule intellect. The 2nd Amendment exists to protect these rights. Nate - You really don't get it, do you? Bless your heart.
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BillSmith says... March 20, 2013 at 5:40 p.m.
superduty ...... is on a right wing email list and keeps showing his ignorance about the gun used at Sandy Hook.
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Fact Check: Misinformation over Sandy Hook shooting won't go away
This email has been appearing in many area inboxes lately. It gained traction when police reported that a gun was found locked in the trunk of Lanza's car and, all of a sudden, that gun became the assault weapon that had been attributed to the bulk of the killings. Police reported, however, that Lanza took three weapons inside the school — a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle and two handguns, a Sig Sauer 9mm and a Glock 10mm.
There was a gun found in Lanza’s car, but it was a shotgun. The primary weapon used in the Dec. 14 attack, said Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance, “was a Bushmaster AR-15 assault-type weapon.”
There was so much misinformation about the guns that Connecticut police issued an update on Jan. 23 confirming their original report, according to Snopes. com, a nonpartisan fact-finding website.
“Police provided details in [previous] news conferences, but wanted to eliminate any confusion or misinformation,” the update stated. “Police said they found a Bushmaster .223-caliber model XM15-E with high capacity 30-round clips, a Glock 10mm handgun and a Sauer P226 9mm handgun inside the school. Police also searched Lanza’s car, which was in the parking lot, and found an Izhmash Canta-12 12-gauge shotgun.”
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RonalFos says... March 20, 2013 at 10:58 p.m.
Colorado is a pretty red state to be calling a bunch "liberal left morons".
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djigoo says... March 20, 2013 at 11:37 p.m.
Anything which pi$$es off Wayne LaPierre is certainly a good thing for America.
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Pobucker says... March 21, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
ronfos
Colorado - thumbs up on pot, thumbs up on gun control = liberal
doh!
This displays fully the conflicted idealogy of the liberals. As a libertarian, I see Colorado restoring personal liberty taken away by Nixon and taking away personal liberty guaranteed by the Bill of Rights. Zero sum game for a libertarian and a clear illustration of why libertarians are NOT liberal.
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BillSmith says... March 21, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.
superduty ..... where are you on the Sandy Hook gun issue now, Fox News, World Net Daily, The Washing Times, The Blaze made you look ignorant. Keep watching,reading and listning to the right wing propaganda and you will continue to have your brain cell desolve.
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GrimReaper says... March 21, 2013 at 10:27 a.m.
The usual idiotic drivel from the control freaks of the koolaid crowd.
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Coralie says... March 21, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
In answer to Pobucker, here's a suggestion from a liberal source:
"We should be letting the patriotic volunteers that have joined the militia assist the National Guard, helping out in states of emergency...Gun ownership should come with an amount of responsibility. Those who choose to own guns should bear that responsibility and be considered volunteers of the militia."
dailykos. com/story/2013/01/19/1180336/-Making-good-use-of-Well-Regulated-Militias
The US Code is a compilation and codification of the general and permanent federal laws of the United States, published every six years by the Office of the Law Revision Counsel of the House of Representatives. The current edition of the code was published in 2006, and is over 200,000 pages long.
However, it is not the same thing as the U.S. Constitution.
Pobucker asked for the definition of "infringe" so here it is: "to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another." Or you can look it up for yourself in your Funk and Wagnalls.
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Coralie says... March 21, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
The US Code, in codifying an unorganized militia, appears to be in contradiction with the Second Amendment and Article I Section 8 of the Constitution which call for a "well-regulated" or organized militia.
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Coralie says... March 21, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
Pobucker, I agree with you fully that libertarians are not liberal.
Furthermore, on economic issues they are righter than right. Oh they say they want a free market, ala Adam Smith, but they don't ever seem to make any suggestions about what to do with multinationals, monopoly capitalism, or corporate personhood, so as to achieve a free market.
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SoonerHawg says... March 21, 2013 at 1:40 p.m.
@ Coralie - another article from the site you listed that some here might like to read.
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dailykos. com/story/2010/07/04/881431/-Why-liberals-should-love-the-Second-Amendment
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lazybar says... March 21, 2013 at 4:02 p.m.
it looks like 200 colorado residents get to move to another state or find a new job
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T6 says... March 21, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
Hey BillSmith.......This ones for you bud! ABC, CBS, NBC Admit No Assault Rifle Used at Sandy Hook. This was probably the right story before it was changed to fit the narrative.
youtu.be/HK8Z5K5M2Dw
Also, how does snopes. com explain multiple shooters on the 911 tapes?
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BillSmith says... March 21, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.
T6.....you freeking idiot the medical examiner said the only rounds dug out of the victims was .223 the cal of an AR-15 not pistols.
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State Police Identify Weapons Used In Sandy Hook Investigation; Investigation Continues
The Newtown Bee ^ | January 18, 2013 | Newtown Bee
Posted on Friday, January 18, 2013 4:12:13 PM by Uncle Chip
In press conferences that have been held since 12/14, the Connecticut State Police have identified all of the weapons seized from the crime scene at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
"To eliminate any confusion or misinformation, we will again describe and identify the weapons seized at the school crime scene," Connecticut State Police Spokesman Lt J. Paul Vance said Friday, January 18, via a press release.
Seized inside the school were the following: a Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round clips; a Glock 10 mm handgun; and a Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun.
Seized from the suspect’s car in parking lot was a Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun.
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NEWTOWN -- In the frantic moments after a gunman stormed into Sandy Hook Elementary School on Friday and gunned down 26 people, most of them children, authorities expected to encounter a second shooter as they converged on the building, according to a recording of a 911 tape that was independently verified by Hearst Connecticut Newspapers on Tuesday.
"I have reports of two shooters running past the building, past the gym, which would be rear," a dispatcher said on the tape, before trailing off. Shortly afterward, the operator told a State Police trooper who was racing to the scene from the nearby Troop A barracks in Southbury to "make sure you have your vest on."
A review of the recording suggests that authorities were unaware of the grisly scene they were walking into.
Confusion reigned among authorities as SWAT team members and other officers swept the building for several hours, triggering a wave of erroneous media reports.
At one point, several major networks, including CNN, Fox News and The Associated Press, were reporting that the shooter was Ryan Lanza, 24, citing a law enforcement source familiar with the investigation. A number of news outlets also raised the possibility that there was a second gunman.
Investigators cast a dragnet over the town and neighboring communities to try to catch the phantom gunman.
By the end of the day Friday, investigators said they were confident that the suspected shooter was Ryan Lanza's 20-year-old brother, Adam, and that he acted alone. Any reports that another suspect fled the scene in a purple van were unfounded, they said.
The two-hour-long recording, which was authenticated Tuesday by several current and former emergency dispatchers, surfaced on YouTube. It captures the aftermath of the shooting that ended only after 26 people -- 20 of whom were children, none older than 7 -- were killed in a fusillade of bullets.
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DontDrinkDatKoolAid says... March 21, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
"T6.....you freeking idiot the medical examiner said the only rounds dug out of the victims was .223 the cal of an AR-15 not pistols."
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Bill .. I've shot and kill adults with an M-16, and the projectiles went on through. The rounds where 55 grain FMJ's
moving 3,200 feet per second from the barrel. There would be no projectiles found in any of those bodies.
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CordisK says... March 22, 2013 at 12:07 a.m.
What a bunch of idiots in Colorado. Their economy is only 10 fold greater than ours. Must be the devil at work!
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Coralie says... March 22, 2013 at 12:23 p.m.
I repeat, since no one has answered:
The US Code, in codifying an unorganized militia, appears to be in contradiction with the Second Amendment and Article I Section 8 of the Constitution which call for a "well-regulated" or organized militia.
Is there a Constitutional lawyer in the house?
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BillSmith says... March 22, 2013 at 3:08 p.m.
Koolaid... I amsure there was some spent rounds on the floor that had .223 stamped on them and how do you know these were FMJ?
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lazybar says... March 22, 2013 at 3:11 p.m.
dddk,i`m with you on doubting they dug many if any 223`s out.even if it was a soft point projecticle i`m doubting it had time to expand.
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DontDrinkDatKoolAid says... March 22, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
"BillSmith.....you freeking idiot the medical examiner said the only rounds dug out of the victims was .223 the cal of an AR-15 not pistols."
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BillSmith says... March 22, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
koolaid,T6......FYI
The veteran medical examiner told reporters that the victims had all been identified and their bodies released. In what appeared to be an uncomfortable moment for Carver, he said all of the victims he had examined had all been shot by a Bushmaster .223 caliber assault rifle, one of at least two weapons Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old suspected shooter, used to commit one of the deadliest mass shootings in U.S. history.
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Time News Feed
Police say that the 20 children and six adults killed at the school were murdered with a .223 caliber Bushmaster AR-15 rifle.
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Authorities said Lanza, 20, took a Bushmaster .223-caliber rifle, a Glock 10 mm handgun and a Sig Sauer 9 mm handgun into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newton, Conn., around 9:35 a.m. Dec. 14, 2012.
The Bushmaster was Lanza's primary weapon during the shooting, which killed 20 young children and six adults.
A video of police taking a long gun from the back of Lanza's car is frequently cited by those who believe the Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax. Supporters of the theory say the video shows authorities taking a rifle out of the car, proving Lanza didn't bring the assault weapon into the school.
However, authorities say the gun was actually a 12-gauge shotgun. It was not used in the shooting.
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T6 says... March 22, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
BillSmith... Have you seen the video of them taking the gun out of the trunk of the civic?
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Reason says... March 22, 2013 at 7:19 p.m.
From the "Official" State Police Report website:
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Seized inside the school:
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#1. Bushmaster .223 caliber-- model XM15-E2S rifle with high capacity 30 round magazine
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#2. Glock 10 mm handgun
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#3. Sig-Sauer P226 9mm handgun
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Seized from suspect’s car in parking lot:
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#4. Izhmash Canta-12 12 gauge Shotgun (seized from car in parking lot)
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The shooter used the Bushmaster .223 to murder 20 children and six adults inside the school; he used a handgun to take his own life inside the school. No other weapons were used in this crime. This case remains under investigation.
Lt. J. Paul Vance
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ct. gov/despp/cwp/view.asp?Q=517284&A=4226
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DontDrinkDatKoolAid says... March 22, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.
There were no projectiles found in the bodies.
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Reason says... March 22, 2013 at 7:30 p.m.
Pobucker: To follow your logic... Men over the age of 45 and women have no rights.
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BillSmith says... March 23, 2013 at 12:06 a.m.
The Year: 2053 Two college students were talking politics after their political science course. One said "wasn't there a party called the GOP back in 2013? The other said yes but it evolved into the one now called the "Tea Party" which has become irrelevent in politics today. The first one said how did that happen? The other said the Tea Party base of the GOP took the party to the fringe far right on issues such as abortion,gay rights, civil rights,gun control, military intervention, religious intollarence, deregulation, fossil fuels, lower taxes for the rich, lower corporate taxes, healthcare, screw the enviornment and finaly all of the old WASP died and so did the GOP and you have the new insignifacant "Tea Party". The other one said Oh it went the way of the WHIG party in the 1800's. The other said exactly.
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T6 says... March 23, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
BillSmith... As more and more people learn about the "surprises" in Obamacare YOU don't have to worry about the DemocRats getting elected again. You will be lucky if they aren't tarred and feathered. As more and more Drs decline patients who are older, and decline Medicare and medicaid, as insurance premiums go up, up, as more employers drop employees to stay under the insurance requirement, and employers cut back hours, ALL BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE. You needn't think the DemocRats will be popular with any voters.
Reason and BS need to view some of the people who were interviewed about Sandy Hook. Such as the two fireman at Sandy Hook that said THEY had to break the front door glass to get into the school. Then view the video of Lt Vance stating that Lanza broke the door to get in. Or, the article stating Sandy Hook had just updated to a state of the art security system but no video has surfaced, no pictures as with Columbine, Aurora, and the other mass shootings.
If Adam Lanza was the only shooter as Lt Vance said, why this?
Connecticut State's Attorney Stephen Sedensky has argued that unsealing warrants in the Sandy Hook case might "seriously jeopardize" the investigation by disclosing information known only to other "potential suspects."
Sedensky said that unsealing the warrants would also:
"identify persons cooperating with the investigation, thus possibly jeopardizing their personal safety and well-being."
The statement by the CT prosecutor's office is the first indication from state authorities that Adam Lanza may have not acted alone. The statement was made in support of a motion to continue the seal on the results of five search warrants for 90 more days.
I may be way to cynical but you two are way too trusting of people you should not trust. Especially of people with an agenda. You might want to view some videos before you go taking stock of talking heads.
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BillSmith says... March 23, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
T6 ... Share the agenda that the school and police may have. I realy would be interested.
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T6 says... March 23, 2013 at 11:31 p.m.
Nothing like a mass shooting of little babies by a crazed gunman, and grieving parents to get the public riled up enough to ban all weapons. That was what Obama's Fast and Furious was about but it didn't accomplish the taking of our guns so another attempt had to be made and if Sandy Hook doesn't accomplish it, there will be another tragedy and another until it is.
BillSmith.... Do you believe everything you are told? There are too many discrepancies about Sandy Hook! The stories and accounts of what happened keep changing about as fast as they did in BenghaziGate!!!!!
Why would our government spread Syphillis among Black men in the South?
Or why would they spray unknown chemicals over St. Louis?
Or why would they feed Radiactive isotopes to Mentally Retarded children?
I imagine you think this is all made up too?
~ en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Tuskegee_sy More..philis_experiment
~ dailymail. co.uk/news/article-2210415/Revealed-Army-scientists-secretly-sprayed-St-Louis-radioactive-particles-YEARS-test-chemical-warfare-technology.html
~ en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Human_radiation_experiments
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Anyone questioning these things when they were happening probably would have been called a conspiracy theorist. Don't you think?
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crisisactors. org/
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inquire says... March 24, 2013 at 12:18 a.m.
The snopes entry debunking all that garbage about Sandy Hook and crisis actors is the longest entry I have ever seen on there, complete with references.
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morebeer says... March 24, 2013 at 2:09 a.m.
BillSmith, these folks trying to smear the facts on the murder of 20 schoolkids kinda remind me of the neoNazi types that try to pretend the Holocaust didn't happen. They're a pretty pitiful bunch, but dangerous. Jefferson wrote tha ta well-educated and informed populace is the key to democracy, so too many T6s and Superduties are clearly bad for democracy.
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T6 says... March 24, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
Morebeer... It's a well informed public that doesn't take everything at face value that's fed to them. Trust but verify! A very GREAT man once said that! President Ronald Reagan.
Too many like you and BillSmith who trust in everything our government says and does is exactly why we are losing this great country. This country needs more people questioning the agenda of the media and the government.
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morebeer says... March 24, 2013 at 2:17 p.m.
T6, the gun used at Newtown isn't the place to make your stand on government conspiracy. Only the crazies are pressing the case that the gun in the trunk was the Bushmaster. I've been through this before with Koolaid, Packman and a few others who bought into a scam and ignorant Internet postings. Skepticism is good, but holding up the thoughts of an uninformed columnist for an underground Chicago newspaper against the official findings of the coroner and chief investigator of the Newtown shootings, well, that's not skepticism, that's being a conspiracy nut.
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BillSmith says... March 24, 2013 at 5:13 p.m.
moorebeer ... glad you put them in their place now I want have to.
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BillSmith says... March 24, 2013 at 5:18 p.m.
moorebeer..... If these guys were truthful they would tell us how often they watch "The Blaze" or listen to Glen Beck. Me thanks all of the one's you mentioned get email from Glen and World Net Daily and just can not recognize reality anymore.
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morebeer says... March 24, 2013 at 5:40 p.m.
Bill, there's a difference between healthy skepticism and willful disbelief, and the Newtown gun crazies demonstrate it perfectly.
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DontDrinkDatKoolAid says... March 24, 2013 at 10:43 p.m.
Anyone trusting any government or parts their of, without any reservation(s) is a fool.
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morebeer says... March 25, 2013 at 12:21 a.m.
Yeah, koolaid, trust but verify, but not with youtube videos and blowhard internet bloggers, OK.
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DontDrinkDatKoolAid says... March 25, 2013 at 1:47 a.m.
I know more about terminal ballistics than you do.
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RonalFos says... March 25, 2013 at 8:20 a.m.
If all the officials in Newtown are lying, what possible motive would cause all of them to get together and fabricate a massive lie. What the hell do they get out of the risk?
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DontDrinkDatKoolAid says... March 25, 2013 at 8:32 a.m.
Beats the hell out of me!
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Packman says... March 25, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
Hey morebeer - "I've been through this before with Koolaid, Packman and a few others who bought into a scam and ignorant Internet postings." Either show where I EVER said a .223 wasn't used in Newtown or apologize immediately. For the record, what I have said is there were conflicting reports as to the firearm(s) used by the crazed gunman. These conflicting reports naturally give cause for questions for people who use critical thought. I suspect you have too little character to apologize, much less employ critical thought.
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morebeer says... March 25, 2013 at 10:49 a.m.
I remember the exchanges and you were one of the despicable parties trying to confuse people as the facts. 20 schoolkids slaughtered and Packman, who probably knew better, had play contrarian and confuse the issue further.
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Packman says... March 25, 2013 at 12:01 p.m.
Hey morebeer - "I remember the exchanges......" The only thing worse than memory is your lack of character. You cannot deny the existence of the conflicting reports or show where I EVER said the only thing used in the tragedy was a .223. Accepting "fact" without question is the work of a useful idiot. Morebeer be thy name.
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T6 says... March 25, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
Hey morebeer... The video I posted wasn't some made up video or from a blogger. IT WAS from the main stream media. SO ARE YOU finally admitting the mainstream media will fabricate a narrative? Have you even investigated HOW MANY OF THE NEWS OUTLETS REPORTED the guns found inside the school were handguns? Information given to them by the authorities.
When there are so many different accounts of the shootings don't you think it is appropriate to question? Videos that show a different account of what the police said! Does anyone find it odd that parents who just lost their children, torn apart by an alleged "assault rifle" would be smiling at all while giving an interview?
I will say again the events of how the Sandy Hook shootings unfolded were changed as many times as the Benghazi murders.
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DontDrinkDatKoolAid says... March 25, 2013 at 2:24 p.m.
That is true T-6.
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Pobucker says... March 25, 2013 at 2:53 p.m.
Coralie and Reason are correct.
Using "militia" to build a case for personal ownership of firearms is stupid.
Since the Supreme court HAS found the second admendment DOES protect individual gun ownership, without any reference to militias, that is the place to stop. Final clause stands alone in it's simplicity, according to the court's decision overturning overly burdensome gun laws in DC. So then "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is all you need to know.
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Packman says... March 25, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
Hey T6 - Looks like I gotta agree with morebeer on this "despicable parties trying to confuse people"...... Can't say I would argue with characterizing the mainstream media as "despicable". Which is no different than the despicable way the anti-gunners use the death of innocents to achieve a political agenda. Despicable is as despicabe does.
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Pobucker says... March 25, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
2008:
WASHINGTON -- The Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution guarantees individuals the right to keep handguns in the home, ending a debate about the Second Amendment's 18th-century language while opening new battles over the politically charged issues of guns, crime and violence.
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In a 5-4 opinion by Justice Antonin Scalia, the court struck down perhaps the nation's toughest gun law, a 1976 District of Columbia ordinance that effectively bans handguns and required that rifles be disassembled or disabled by trigger locks in the home.
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Coralie says... March 25, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.
Pobucker, maybe we should ink out every third word in the Constitution so as to make it simpler and more readable for the functionally illiterate.
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Coralie says... March 25, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
Answering Pobucker post that crossed mine--"ending a debate about the Second Amendment's 18th-century language."
Why after 225 years does this particular Supreme Court's decision "END the debate"?
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Pobucker says... March 25, 2013 at 3:25 p.m.
2010"
A narrowly divided Supreme Court today ruled that the Second Amendment's right to bear arms is applicable to all states and municipalities. The ruling will most likely overturn Chicago's strict ban on handguns.
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"It is clear that the framers and ratifiers of the Second Amendment counted the right to keep and bear arms among those fundamental rights necessary to our system of ordered liberty," wrote Justice Samuel Alito for the five-four majority.
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Pobucker says... March 25, 2013 at 3:32 p.m.
Well, Coralie, I suppose the debate ended when the Supreme Court ruled you don't need no stinkin' militia to keep and bear arms. I am supposing that is because the right isn't given to the militias or state governors, it is given directly to "the people". But I am not a lawyer. In any case, two rulings on the second amendment in as many years. Significant.
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"It is CLEAR that the framers and ratifiers of the Second Amendment counted the right to keep and bear arms among those fundamental rights necessary to our system of ordered liberty," wrote Justice Samuel Alito (emphasis added)
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morebeer says... March 25, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
T6, Roger Ailes at Fox News is famous for fabricating narratives. He used to, and perhaps still does, issue morning memos that his talking heads are supposed to emphasize throughout the day. There were handguns found inside the Sandy Hook school. but the investigators and the coroner say the main gun used was the rifle. There was an early MSNBC report (same day, I think) that misreported the facts, and tens of thousands of Internet ignoramuses have latched onto it as if it is the Bible itself. I've got no more to say on this subject. Believe what you want. In yours, koolaid's and Packman's case, it's probably willful disbelief. Pretty funny though, that a troika taking potshots at the media write so many words themselves trying to smear the truth.
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T6 says... March 25, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
Morebeer it's just as well you shut your yap trap on the subject since you can't seem to answer simple questions?
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morebeer says... March 25, 2013 at 10:41 p.m.
Congratulations koolaid, T6 has drank the koolaid. T6, they've gone through a lot of zombies on Walking Dead this season. You should audition. Your brain is already staggering about, just move your feet in time.
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Coralie says... March 26, 2013 at 1:09 p.m.
Some previous Supreme Court rulings:
In 1875, the Court stated in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, that "[bearing arms for a lawful purpose] is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence."
"In 1939, the Court ruled in United States v. Miller, 307 U.S. 174, that the amendment "[protects arms that had a] reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia".'
Justice Stephens' dissent in the recent close decision says:
"When each word in the text is given full effect, the Amendment is most naturally read to secure to the people a right to use and possess arms in conjunction with service in a well-regulated militia. So far as appears, no more than that was contemplated by its drafters or is encompassed within its terms. Even if the meaning of the text were genuinely susceptible to more than one interpretation, the burden would remain on those advocating a departure from the purpose identified in the preamble and from settled law to come forward with persuasive new arguments or evidence. The textual analysis offered by respondent and embraced by the Court falls far short of sustaining that heavy burden. And the Court’s emphatic reliance on the claim “that the Second Amendment … codified a pre-existing right,” ... is of course beside the point because the right to keep and bear arms for service in a state militia was also a pre-existing right."
But you say this is the last word, and it is OK to leave out parts of what is written in the Constitution if Pobucker thinks they are obsolete.
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