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Concentrated solutions

By Dana D. Kelley

This article was published December 8, 2017 at 2:35 a.m.

Gun violence shatters lives among its victims, and leaves society at large shaking its head and wringing its hands.

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Dontsufferfools says... December 8, 2017 at 10:06 a.m.

Kind of a dumb column. Ignores the massacres and school shootings that have nothing to do with inner-city problems. Ignores the issue of semi-automatic weapons with 100-round drums. Ignores the fact that when cities like Chicago and D.C. have instituted strict gun control, they were undermined and had their policies rolled back by NRA-backed lawsuits. Sandy Hook Elementary is in an affluent community, not an inner-city 'hood. Yet, the kids are all dead.

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Slak says... December 8, 2017 at 10:48 a.m.

Brilliant column. Highlights the deceptive tactics used by anti-second amendment fanatics. School shootings, weapon types and other red herrings are all meaningless distractions to the real issue. By far, the most gun crime is committed in small areas which have been under democratic control for decades. Smell the societal rot brought on by the left's social experimentations.

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Dontsufferfools says... December 8, 2017 at 5:41 p.m.

Hey Slak, go to the Newtown town square, stand on a your soapbox, and tell the folks that school shootings "are meaningless." But you won't, because you don't have the courage of your nonsense.

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WhododueDiligence says... December 8, 2017 at 8:44 p.m.

"Any averaging that lumps large numbers of counties with zero gun deaths together with a very few urban counties with very high gun homicides produces an idiotic and useless result."
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That's a strange statement since by definition all averaging must include all the numbers in the data set including all the zeroes to obtain the average. Many rural counties might have zero gun deaths in some years but as Dontsufferfools points out, some suburban or rural areas have mass shootings. Also, the quoted statement is an apples-to-oranges comparison because gun deaths don't equal gun homicides. Gun deaths also include gun suicides and accidental gun deaths. Statewide averages are not useless. They're used in this column to compare Arkansas, Missouri and Iowa.
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"How silly it is, likewise, to propose and devise gun crime solutions for the vast majority of people and places in the U.S. where there is no gun violence problem."
It's a gross exaggeration to say that there is no gun violence problem outside the urban higher crime areas specified in this column. Neither Kelley nor crime experts can predict where mass shootings will occur. They have repeatedly occurred outside the urban areas mentioned. Kelley's suggestions for reducing gun violence in urban areas seem to be very sound, but it's wrong to use statistics (which obviously change from year to year) in a mistaken attempt to show "zero gun deaths" and "no gun violence problem" outside those urban areas.

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Packman says... December 8, 2017 at 9:24 p.m.

Great column, but it has a major flaw. It will confuse useful idiots with facts. Such as America doesn't have a gun problem. America has an inner city violent crime problem. If libs really wanted to make a dent in murder rates they would support focused effort as recommended by Dana Kelly. But instead they scream for meaningless nationwide bans on rifles built on a military platform. Obviously they really don't care about solving the problem and I simply cannot understand why.

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Dontsufferfools says... December 8, 2017 at 9:28 p.m.

One could argue, too, that the gun proliferation produced by liberal gun rights policies contributes to the shootings in the "concentrated" areas. Chicago, for example, has almost no gun stores, yet, it is overrun with guns that are brought in from Indiana and neighboring states or stolen from unlocked SUVs in the suburbs.

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WhododueDiligence says... December 9, 2017 at 7:31 a.m.

"But instead they scream for nationwide bans on rifles built on a military platform. Obviously they really don't care about solving the problem and I simply cannot understand why."
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Of course you can't, Packman. Even after the Las Vegas shooting which killed 59 and wounded/injured more than 500 others in 10 minutes, you still simply can't call them what they are--military style assault rifles capable of approximating military style high-rate automatic firing with cheap modifications. Instead of calling them what they are you refer to them as rifles built on a military platform. That sounds benign. You make it sound as though they're ordinary hunting rifles built on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

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wildblueyonder says... December 9, 2017 at 3:13 p.m.

Does anyone know how many shootings in say, Chicago, are handguns or assault type weapons?

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PopMom says... December 9, 2017 at 4:39 p.m.

Packman,

America both has a gun problem AND an inner city violent crime problem. The inner city violent crime problem can be solved by better schools and crackdowns on crime. The gun problem can be solved by more background checks and restricting access to weapons with semi-automatic capabilities.

Slak,

The blue states tend to be richer and less violent than the red states. Your faulty logic suggesting that there is a link between being Democratic and violent does not hold up. The inner cities which tend to be heavily black vote Democratic because most of the racists have gone over to the Republican Party; that is the correlation.

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