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Trump to ax key subsidies paid insurers

Also, order signed to redo 2010 health law’s guidelines

By Compiled by Democrat-Gazette staff from wire reports

This article was published October 13, 2017 at 4:30 a.m.

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Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., stands with President Donald Trump after Trump signed an executive order on health care rules Thursday. Paul called Trump’s action “one of the most signifi cant free market health care reforms in a generation.” Trump gave Paul the pen he used to sign the order.

WASHINGTON -- President Donald Trump is planning to end key federal subsidies paid to insurance companies under the Affordable Care Act, his administration's most drastic move yet to overhaul the 2010 health care law.

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RBear says... October 13, 2017 at 4:12 a.m.

Trump is hacking away at the health insurance market, not with sound policy decisions, but with moves that will drive the industry back to pre-ACA positions and take healthcare away from millions. His lack of understanding of the insurance market will destroy the gains made by Obama and create an environment where the only people able to afford healthcare are the wealthy and young.
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I would say his base would ditch him on these moves, but then again it is the Trump demographic.

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TimberTopper says... October 13, 2017 at 4:41 a.m.

If this POTUS does this to the millions of Americans now covered, and those that will in the future need this coverage, he is a Nothing. Since he did not receive the most popular votes he has no mandate to do this. He is about to bring undue hardship to Americans by his greed and worthlessness. May he and his family reap all the stress, hardships, and grief he is about to put upon those needy Americans.

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hah406 says... October 13, 2017 at 7:53 a.m.

The orange oompa loompa is throwing another temper tantrum because he and his party's congress can't get it together on a better health care law. So instead, he is going to punish those working people who need subsidies to afford insurance. Hopefully when the states file suit later this morning, the courts will snatch him back like the out of control toddler he is.

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BirdDogsRock says... October 13, 2017 at 8:57 a.m.

If the thing that you are insisting is "broken and horrible" really isn't so broken and horrible, then sabotage is the only recourse to prove your point.

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Packman says... October 13, 2017 at 9:46 a.m.

Hey RBear - Stop lying. Nobody's taking away anyone's health care. Health insurance isn't health care. How do you define "afford"? Isn't free pretty damn affordable? Millions of children and poor people in the US receive the best health care in the world and pay nothing for it. Do you intentionally fail to recognize the difference between health care and health insurance? As to that Trump demographic, I remind you of those brave Americans that risked their lives to save the lives of strangers known as the Cajun Navy and those countless country music fans in Las Vegas that did the same. The Trump demographic you so disparage is comprised of some pretty amazing and brave people. But you keep being you.

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RBear says... October 13, 2017 at 10:22 a.m.

Pack, there is no such thing as free. That “free” you talk about is picked up by local jurisdictions, so stop lying to make your position sound plausible. Your argument is about as specious as they come.
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Regardless how amazing and brave they are, they are still issue illiterate. There are some pretty amazing and brave folks in the progressive camp who try to stay aware of the issues and constantly have to correct the misinformation put out by the Trump demographic.
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The funny thing about this is that I never disparage their contribution ns, just their issue awareness. Progressives did the same thing in both of those situations and countless others. You just choose to ignore them to try to gloss over the real issue. Sorry, but not playing that dumb game of yours.

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Whippersnapper says... October 13, 2017 at 11:19 a.m.

RBear says... October 13, 2017 at 10:22 a.m.
"Pack, there is no such thing as free."
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You got this one exactly right.
"That “free” you talk about is picked up by local jurisdictions, so stop lying to make your position sound plausible."
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Oh, but you messed up here. Anything "free" is paid for by the taxpaying public (me and presumably you), and so it is that we the taxpayers can object to handing out funds indiscriminately.

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RBear says... October 13, 2017 at 12:47 p.m.

Whipper, you REALLY missed it on this one. By saying a jurisdiction picks up the tab that automatically implies the taxpayer so you are correct that I don't want funds handed out indiscriminately. But that's what happens when you follow the Pack model for health care. By law, ERs must treat those who come to them regardless whether they can pay or not. If you don't know about it, Google up EMTALA.
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Anyone with ANY brains about health care understands that ER treatment is at the top of the list when it comes to cost of treatment. If a person cannot afford health care because of lack of insurance (the front door), guess where they go when there's a problem. The ER aka the back door. Now if you did the research on EMTALA, you'll have also discovered it's an unfunded mandate. That means anyone who shows up and doesn't have insurance and can't pay gets treatment funded by ... the taxpayers at the highest rate around.
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Ask those same people you asked about ER treatment the question about preventive or non-ER care regarding cost and they'll tell you the front door is a heck of a lot cheaper than the back door. So while Pack believes we have a free solution for those who can't afford health care, what he's really saying is let's shift the cost from one part of the system to another more expensive part and let's have taxpayers pick up ALL the costs.
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Now, before someone comes at me with their Portland or other studies which showed that access to insurance did not decrease ER visits I would point them to other data which showed that the studies also pointed out there had not been enough time for behavioral change in shifting costs. In other words, if you always got care from the ER, you're probably going to keep going there until diverted which was starting to happen.
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So Pack's free is really not free as we both have agreed, but I also contend care through the front door is much better than care through the back door.

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TimberTopper says... October 13, 2017 at 1:34 p.m.

Packy, you and Whipper know just enough to be dangerous and wrong. In the long run the ACA would save us taxpayers a lot of money, besides helping those that could not afford health insurance premiums, to get preventative care which would also help the bottom line. But if you and your ilk wants an addition tax expenditure burden, then I guess I can pay my fair share as well. Things really work well when we have a POTUS that doesn't have a clue, and the tribe that follows him blindly knows the same.

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3WorldState1 says... October 13, 2017 at 2:53 p.m.

Hey, what can you say. Christians hate poor people having health insurance.
Which is weird because when I was growing up in the church they always taught us to help, be empathetic and caring of those that had little.
The GOP has already ruined Christianity. Or is it the other way around? Sad on both counts.

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