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Deadly Florida school shooting lasted 3 minutes, sheriff states

By Compiled by Democrat-Gazette staff from wire reports

This article was published February 16, 2018 at 4:30 a.m.

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Mourners hold a candlelight vigil Thursday night at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla.

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This photo provided by the Broward County Jail shows Nikolas Cruz. Authorities say Cruz, a former student opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas Hig...

Veronica Laureano and her daughter, Zorayha, 11, attend a vigil Thursday at Parkland Baptist Church in Parkland, Fla., for victims of the shooting Wed...

Photos found on Nikolas Cruz’s Instagram account include a masked selfie (shown) and an array of weapons lying on a bed.

Photos found on Nikolas Cruz’s Instagram account include a masked selfie and an array of weapons lying on a bed (shown).

This undated photo provided by Abbie Youkilis shows her niece, Jaime Guttenberg. Guttenberg was a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in P...

This undated photo shows Joaquin Oliver, known by his nickname "Guac." Oliver, a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., wa...

This photo taken from the Facebook page of Shawn Malone Reeder Sherlock shows an undated photo of her niece, Gina Montalto, a student at Marjory Stone...

This undated photo made available by Joan Cox shows her nephew Luke Hoyer. Hoyer was a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fl...

This undated photo taken from the Facebook page of Claudette McMahon Joshi shows her great niece, Alaina Petty, a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas ...

Nikolas Cruz appears by video before Judge Kim Theresa Mollica in Broward County Court on Thursday, where he was arraigned on 17 counts of premeditate...

President Donald Trump leaves a White House news conference on Thursday after giving a statement on the Parkland, Fla., shooting. Trump, who did not a...

The man accused of gunning down 17 people at a Florida high school admitted to law enforcement officials that he carried out one of the nation's deadliest school shootings, authorities said in court papers filed Thursday.

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Photos by The Associated Press

This photo provided by the Broward County Jail shows Nikolas Cruz. Authorities say Cruz, a former student opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas Hig...

Veronica Laureano and her daughter, Zorayha, 11, attend a vigil Thursday at Parkland Baptist Church in Parkland, Fla., for victims of the shooting Wed...

Photos found on Nikolas Cruz’s Instagram account include a masked selfie (shown) and an array of weapons lying on a bed.

Photos found on Nikolas Cruz’s Instagram account include a masked selfie and an array of weapons lying on a bed (shown).

This undated photo provided by Abbie Youkilis shows her niece, Jaime Guttenberg. Guttenberg was a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in P...

This undated photo shows Joaquin Oliver, known by his nickname "Guac." Oliver, a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., wa...

This photo taken from the Facebook page of Shawn Malone Reeder Sherlock shows an undated photo of her niece, Gina Montalto, a student at Marjory Stone...

This undated photo made available by Joan Cox shows her nephew Luke Hoyer. Hoyer was a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fl...

This undated photo taken from the Facebook page of Claudette McMahon Joshi shows her great niece, Alaina Petty, a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas ...

Nikolas Cruz appears by video before Judge Kim Theresa Mollica in Broward County Court on Thursday, where he was arraigned on 17 counts of premeditate...

President Donald Trump leaves a White House news conference on Thursday after giving a statement on the Parkland, Fla., shooting. Trump, who did not a...

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RBear says... February 16, 2018 at 6:30 a.m.

Yesterday, I decided to mostly stay out of the discussion on the school shooting, primarily because it was too soon and I also knew it would go out of control, which it did. One of the few posts I did make is something I really think should be a motto in this discussion. It was from a survivor of the shooting who said, "We're children. You guys are the adults." If only the adults would act like adults in this conversation, maybe the children could feel safe.
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But one thread that was running through the conversation revolved around Israeli school security. Pack hit me with it, but failed to provided details. Instead, when I did do some research and responded I was hit with an ad hominem attack with no facts. So I decided to dig more into the discussion.
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This round seems to stem from a photo meme of a group of children with an armed guard behind them. In reality, this was not a school but an outing and the guard was one posted at the facility they were visiting, not at the school. It also seems to stem from comments in 2012 after the Newtown shooting by Wayne LaPierre. “Israel had a whole lot of school shootings until they did one thing,” LaPierre said on NBC’s Meet the Press. “They said, ‘We’re going to stop it,’ and they put armed security at every school, and they have not had a problem since then.”
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I got that quote from an article by the Jerusalem Post that also debunked the statement. The article went on to say the NRA recruited our governor to put together a school security program based on the Israeli model. However, the 225-page report went nowhere as the huge funding requirement was pushed towards districts that are already unable to meet educational budgets. In fact, the NRA essentially shelved the report.
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In the JPost article, the Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said the situation in Israel was “fundamentally different” from that in the United States. “What removed the danger was not the armed guards but an overall anti-terror policy and anti-terror operations which brought street terrorism down to nearly zero over a number of years,” he said. In full agreement was Prof. Gerald Steinberg of Bar-Ilan University “The attempt to compare the two tragedies is absurd,” Steinberg told the Daily News. “Palestinian terror attacks like one one at Maalot – the goal of which was to use the children as hostages in order to free other terrorists – are totally different from crimes committed by deranged people with guns.” (Both are quotes from the article)

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RBear says... February 16, 2018 at 6:30 a.m.

What is fact is that US schools have, in fact, implemented some of the measures taken by the Israeli school system. Active shooter training is a key part of every school and the Parkland school did take that action, as seen in videos and from eyewitness accounts. I asked Pack about that and got an ad hominem attack. Apparently he doesn't even know the fundamentals of active shooter training..
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The Parkland school also had an armed guard on duty at the time of the shooting, but was in another part of the school when the shooting occurred. As this and other articles note, the shooting happened in minutes, preventing the guard from finding and getting to the shooter before he dropped weapons and blended in with the crowd.
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The staff also issued a Red Alert when they recognized the shooter, putting in action defensive moves that still could not prevent his actions. It happened too quickly and his weapon of choice, an AR-15 style rifle, allowed him to carry out the attack swiftly and in a lethal manner. That was also verified by the videos and the rapid succession of shots recorded.
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So, before anyone else tries to make the claims about the Israeli school security program, please do the research. There's not much more schools can do than what they are already doing. Short of putting students in an armed camp which is unrealistic, they are doing as much as they can as the school in Parkland did. The problem is on the outside and needs to be addressed now, not later.
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A final thought from the kids. "We are the children. You guys are the adults." It's time to start acting like adults.

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DoubleBlind says... February 16, 2018 at 7:07 a.m.

There is actual footage in DailyMail online today of the shooter wearing a MAGA hat while target practicing in his backyard.

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RBear says... February 16, 2018 at 7:31 a.m.

Looking at this in more depth, the US seems to be the nation most plagued with school shootings. Here are the facts in countries and continents around the world:
- Canada - 1/22/2016 - Two killed, seven injured. Prior to that, 3/2/2014 - zero killed, two injured.
- Mexico - 1/18/2017 - Two killed, one injured.
- Europe - France, 3/16/2017, four injured. Spain, 4/15/2015 - one killed, four injured.
- South America - Brazil, 10/2/2017 - two killed, four injured. Brazil, 4/7/2011 - 13 killed.
- Asia - Pakistan, 12/16/2014 - 145 killed in Taliban school attack. China, 10/27/2011 - one killed.
- Oceania - Australia, 5/7/2012 - none killed or injured. Australia, 4/3/2003 - two injured.
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US school shootings:
- 2018 - 8 with 21 killed.
- 2017 - 8 with 15 killed.
- 2016 - 15 with 10 killed.
- 2015 - 21 with 20 killed.

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BoudinMan says... February 16, 2018 at 7:49 a.m.

As usual, my congressman's words ring hollow. French Hill, who offered well-wishes from himself and his wife following the Las Vegas massacre, and I'm sure he is in that mode today, received over one million dollars, over $1 million, from the NRA in campaign contributions. Bought and sold much, French?

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Packman says... February 16, 2018 at 10:22 a.m.

Hey RBear - Nah, you're wrong.
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Has the hysteria died down among you gun hating libs enough to have a rational discussion on ways to perhaps prevent these kind of horrific events? Or is the DNC still issuing more fake talking points? Regardless, let's make an attempt at rational discourse.
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Any discussion of gun control must take place within the context of that pesky old 2nd Amendment and the rest of the US Constitution. Sensible gun ownership restrictions must follow what has already been establish by the courts and the Constitution. Bans, confiscation, registration, etc. already adjudicated by the courts as permissive are not sensible. Repeal the 2nd Amendment and then turn America into Germany if that's your pleasure, and good luck with that.
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As to protecting our kids at school a great idea would be to allow armed teachers and other certified personnel on campus and inside the classroom. There's little doubt that had that brave coach that took bullets to save kids' lives had a Glock in his hand the maniac might have been stopped in his tracks. Law enforcement needs to have more flexibility to investigate troubled kids. The Florida maniac was surrounded by red flags for a number of years. Once mentally unstable kids are identified they should be incarcerated and receive treatment for an indefinite period of time.
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Anyone else have any rational thoughts?

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RBear says... February 16, 2018 at 10:29 a.m.

Okay, why am I wrong? You never provided a reference so I had to go find the information myself. Absent a reference from you on this, i count my information as accurate as it is backed by facts.
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Simply put, provide VALID counter arguments on the Israeli school model and then we can have a discussion. The Parkland school DID have an armed security guard on premise at the time of the shooting.

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GeneralMac says... February 16, 2018 at 10:47 a.m.

Yesterday idiotic posters favoring EXTREME gun control came out of the woodwork.
Their comments should alarm every gun owner in Arkansas ( and across the nation )

The very first post was by BOLTAR who stated a litmus test on gun control should be a #1 priority in the next election.

Later, PopMom stated all automatic.........AND SEMI AUTOMATIC rifles ..should be banned.

And finally, near the end, a post by our " genius" (SARC) RBear explaining in detail and praising GERMANY'S strict gun control that even allows for authorities to enter private homes at any time to check on proper storage of guns..

Rest assured, as election time nears, I will be writing letters to this paper (and others across the nation ) warning gun owners to be very concerned about liberal Democrat candidates.

Yes, I will be using direct quotes from the above posters just to show what extreme length liberals will go to push for strict gun control.

Don't be fooled when liberals ridicule gun owners at election time as being paranoid over gun control and say......." no one favors taking away your gun "

The posts yesterday prove otherwise !

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GeneralMac says... February 16, 2018 at 11:04 a.m.

The Sothern Poverty Law Center said they................." could not confirm a link between Cruz and the militia "

That would be like Al Sharpton admitting race was not involved in a street shooting where a Black got killed by a white .

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GeneralMac says... February 16, 2018 at 11:09 a.m.

message from the mother of a 14 year old victim to Trump.........." get the guns out of the hands of these young kids "

The shooter was a 19 year old MAN of legal age.

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