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Florida grief turns into activism; ralliers call for changes to gun laws

By Compiled by Democrat-Gazette staff from wire reports

This article was published February 18, 2018 at 4:30 a.m.

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Morning fog on Saturday enshrouds 17 memorial crosses for the victims of the shooting Wednesday at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla.

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A public memorial to school shooting victim Meadow Pollack sits against a cross Saturday in Parkland, Fla.

PARKLAND, Fla. -- Thousands of students, parents, teachers and neighbors of a Florida high school where 17 people were killed demanded on Saturday that immediate action be taken on gun-control legislation, insisting they would not relent until their demands were met.

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A public memorial to school shooting victim Meadow Pollack sits against a cross Saturday in Parkland, Fla.

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RBear says... February 18, 2018 at 6:28 a.m.

Yet another day in the ongoing, but divided debate over gun control. Throughout this discussion, I have seen very little from the advocates on solutions and more on retaining the status quo. In fact, the status quo has advanced to a more troubling position with guns being allowed on campuses and open carry being promoted as a means to make the gun culture the norm.
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In many cases, when presented with options from abroad the gun advocates and several trolls have fallen back to a distorted view of the Second Amendment which was never written for the positions taken now. There is no doubt, based on the writings and speeches of our founders, that they would disagree with this blatant abusive interpretation of the amendment.
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The bottom line is our nation is in crisis over this issue and people are dying, especially children who just want to attend school in a safe environment. Gun advocates have proposed locking them down in what amounts to prisons JUST so the advocates can continue to own a weapon that has been used in all of the recent mass shootings. In other words, our children must live in a culture of fear so a few can play out some weird fantasy of gun superiority.
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Some have said that if the current laws were properly enforced, we wouldn't have the tragedies we do today. Looking at the Parkland shooting, all the laws were enforced and yet the young man could still carry out his carnage. He legally acquired the firearm. Even though he was a menace, the laws were followed regarding his ability to retain the firearm. He had mental health treatment, but while under treatment he was allowed to retain his firearms.
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So even with the laws in place, he could still legally carry out the attack as others have legally done in the past. Other nations have solved this by restricting access and imposing requirements. Gun advocates who oppose those restrictions and requirements do so in a selfish manner with little to no regard for the crisis we have today. In fact, I have heard more bunkering down from those and absolutely no reasonable solutions from them.
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We restrict access to certain drugs because their use and abuse is harmful to our society. We restrict consumption of certain beverages because their use and abuse is harmful to our society. Yet we fight to retain access and ownership to weapons that have proven to be harmful to our society.
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I'm not sure if this is the tipping point, but change will happen. Americans are getting tired of this argument and the rationale for retaining such weapons is being exposed for its absurdity. When other nations can fix this problem, Americans are asking why not here?

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BOLTAR says... February 18, 2018 at 8:27 a.m.

I just got my first "like" from a young Russian national on my Facebook page devoted to my memoir. I welcome the visitor, whose page includes little info and appears to be new, but I ponder the timing coincident with my recent escalation of comments against Russian trolling on-line.

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Packman says... February 18, 2018 at 9:51 a.m.

In all honesty it's delusional to believe more words written on paper (laws) will prevent acts of evil. Specific to school safety some great ideas include metal detectors, hiring retired vets and law enforcement as resource people, arming teachers, better enforcement of existing laws and publicizing the hell out of these preventative measures.
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Pass more laws and sprinkle more magic pixie dust if you want, it will make libs feel better about themselves but does nothing to stop evil acts. The best and perhaps only way to deal with evil is at the point and time of attack.

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JakeTidmore says... February 18, 2018 at 9:56 a.m.

Vox populi.
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Things to consider as politicians issue bromides about mental health, school safety, the futility of gun control laws and related topics:
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* The Republican Congress and Donald Trump last year rolled back Obama-era rules that made it harder for people with mental illness to purchase a gun.
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* The Trump budget would slash federal spending on school safety programs. And more here on the emptiness of Trump administration talk of school safety.
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* The Trump budget cuts spending on a range of mental health programs.
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Finally, and most of all, it is not an easy matter to prevent someone without a criminal record from owning a gun in the U.S. And given the unchecked ways that people can purchase weapons in private sales, it's not so easy to bar criminals either.

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If you don't think restricting access to assault weapons helps, then you are unaware that such an action did work in Australia and did reduce such associated shootings.
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So....are you more focused on protecting guns or on protecting people from guns?

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sjmays says... February 18, 2018 at 10:20 a.m.

I am convinced this problem is due to availability of guns, especially high-powered rifles. Look up statistics from previous years; gun violence has increased in proportion to the increase of accessibility to guns. THE GUN IS THE PROBLEM.

I hear people say when there is a bombing, no one blames the bomb. This is comparing apples to oranges. How many people do you know who have died in a bombing? One reason for this is that bomb-making materials are heavily regulated and hard to get without notice.

Now let us compare apples to apples. If it was a constitutional right to have bombs, everyone had several and many had hundreds. Every night many people started dying from bombs. School children lifted them from parents and started bombing their schools. Would we say then that it was not about the bombs.

Also compare our gun deaths with other civilized countres -- look at Japan.

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sjmays says... February 18, 2018 at 10:46 a.m.

Japan has irradiated gun violence. They regulate, educate, investigate and eliminate guns because they believe it is about the gun.

I don't understand the great fascination with something that is killing our children.

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mrcharles says... February 18, 2018 at 11:23 a.m.

Now is not the time to discuss the ongoing death of our children. We have thoughts!
We have prayers!
To do something would just be political.
How's that working?

Like the gop says , when we are sick we think and pray and don't need no stinkin doctor. They call that thinking thoughts. Rational people say that is a mental disease.

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titleist10 says... February 18, 2018 at 1:04 p.m.

So we should outlaw cars when a drunk driver kills an innocent person outlaw dynamite when some one explodes a bomb on 9/11 over 3500 people were killed and not one shot was fired the justice system is too soft on criminals before the breakdown of the family unit this was not the prob that it is today

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GeneralMac says... February 18, 2018 at 1:44 p.m.

RBear's long rant at 6:28..........4th paragraph...." All the laws were enforced "

FALSE !

The law against carrying a firearm into a Gun Free Zone facility was NOT enforced!
It was stated school authorities observed him walking down the street so they went tp a " Code Red"

Evidently Code Red means doing NOTHING to stop the lawbreaker, not even locking the doors. Posting a worthless GUN FREE ZONE sign should not absolve a school of legal liability.

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GeneralMac says... February 18, 2018 at 1:54 p.m.

sjmays and RBear constantly using countries that have no 2nd Amendment rights would be like me praising North Korea because they know how to handle protesters like BLM.
( just like Japan and Germany have no right to bear arms, I doubt North Korea has the equal to our 1st Amendment )

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