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Texas churches meet, mourn; U.S. debate over how to curb school shootings heats up

By Compiled by Democrat-Gazette staff from wire reports

This article was published May 21, 2018 at 4:30 a.m.

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Nathan Jordan, 18, a senior at Alvin High School, sobs during a service at Arcadia First Baptist Church on Sunday, two days after a shooting that killed 10 people at Santa Fe High School in Santa Fe, Texas.

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SANTA FE, Texas -- Congregations in a Texas community gathered Sunday for their first services since a gunman entered a high school and killed 10 people, with one pastor lamenting the grief "that none of us can comprehend."

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GeneralMac says... May 21, 2018 at 9:34 a.m.

( last paragraph by Kelly "

No, Kelly........"the problem is" the shootings happened in gun free zones where guns aren't allowed to be carried by adult citizens.

Gun control fanatics like Kelley " forget" to mention that FACT.

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hurricane46 says... May 21, 2018 at 10:33 a.m.

I don't think the "thoughts and prayers" thing is working.

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Quackenfuss says... May 21, 2018 at 10:36 a.m.

No, the problem isn't that "gun free zones" make inviting targets. The problem is that gun free zones aren't really gun free, as evidenced by the fact that the shooter came in with guns. There were also two paid, armed security officers at the school. Would arming teachers make students safer? Obviously, most of the people who think this is the case have not fully considered what a collection most school faculties are. You would, in fact, under color of law, be arming people who are no more or less stable than the world at large. Instead of seeing dramatic cases where the history teacher dropped to one knee, wheeled out his Glock 9mm and cooly dropped the shooter before he could get off a round, you would likely see cases where a teacher with personal issues would one day open up on his class and inflict higher casualites than we see now. You would see would be John Waynes with absolutely no experience or effective training in live combat, shoot, accidentally, more people than the assailant. You would see cases where disturbed kids who had no access to firearms, suddenly found that a careless teacher had left his gun accessible and used that gun to perform a shooting that wouldn't have otherwise happened. Gun control probably isn't the answer to shootings like this one, because I don't ever see a day coming when legally owned shotguns and pistols are outlawed. But the certifiably nutty idea that introducing MORE guns into the environment makes everybody safer is the product of a mindset that can only see a world of clearly defined good and evil in which the "good" NEVER deviate from their goodness. The real answer is to make schools at least as safe as airplanes and courthouses, and that is done by tightly controlling access into the facility, far more tightly than most people are now considering.

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GeneralMac says... May 21, 2018 at 10:38 a.m.

" thoughts and prayers" is an expression of condolences.

Evidently hurricane46 has never attended a wake or funeral.

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hurricane46 says... May 21, 2018 at 10:50 a.m.

GM my aunt died last month, keep your stupid comments like that to your uninformed self, do you understand?

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GeneralMac says... May 21, 2018 at 10:55 a.m.

hurricane45...........it was YOU who insinuated that the condolence of "thoughts and prayer" was supposed to PREVENT it from happening.

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GeneralMac says... May 21, 2018 at 10:58 a.m.

hurricane46.........at your aunts wake/funeral..........when people offered their " thoughts and prayers CONDOLENCES", I doubt you said..............." your thoughts and prayers didn't PREVENT her from dying "

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RBear says... May 21, 2018 at 11:27 a.m.

Fake is rambling senseless comments again on the matter. In fact, he just doesn't know when to shut his drunken mouth.
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Some of QB's points are valid and something none of the gun nuts consider when putting forth their "solutions." Just as the other solutions such as defunding PP (put forth by Pack) and getting rid of video games are just deflections on the real problem. Thanks to gun nuts, we'll never have a gun free society. In fact, their solution to the problem is MORE GUNS. Works for the industry because it promotes the sale of more guns. Works for the firearm advocacy groups because more people will have to have training. In other words, the solution to the problem is the cause of the problem in their minds. But what else would you expect from a group who can't get enough guns.
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But when looking at securing schools, the more security you impose the more you turn schools into something like prisons. In fact, fire safety goes out the window. Playgrounds go out the window. The start of the day becomes a logistical nightmare (ever been in airport security lines that take forever). The cost of securing the school overshadows the cost of educating the child. In other words, we can't afford it simply because gun nuts won't give up some of their guns.

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GeneralMac says... May 21, 2018 at 11:35 a.m.

RBear's 2nd paragraph reveals his true goal...........to get rid of ALL guns in the United States.

He states.........."Thanks to gun nuts, we will never have a gun free society"

RBear, and "usual suspects" taunt us by saying........." no one is coming after your guns".
Yet, today we read of RBear's goal.......A GUN FREE SOCIETY.

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GeneralMac says... May 21, 2018 at 11:37 a.m.

This time I caught RBear with his fingers in the cookie jar.........AGAIN !

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