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Two of the world's largest cruise operators insist their ships are no more vulnerable to the spread of the new coronavirus than other public places.

The cruise industry has long pushed back at the idea that the close quarters on ships may be ripe conditions for the spread of disease. And major players continue to maintain that position, even though there have been more than 3,000 covid-19 cases and dozens of deaths associated with ships, according to the Cruise Lines International Association.

Top executives at Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd. and Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. were asked Sunday to acknowledge that people are more likely to get coronavirus on a cruise ship than in the general public.

"No, I don't believe" that, Frank Del Rio, the chief executive officer of Norwegian, said in a Zoom interview, where he was joined by Richard Fain, head of Royal Caribbean. "I think done correctly a cruise ship -- because it is a controlled environment -- can be among the safest places on Earth."

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Fain took exception to the framing of the question. "One of the things about an intellectual inquiry is it should start with an open mind," he said. "With all due respect, the question didn't suggest you started with an open mind."

The CEOs said they have formed a new partnership on health protocols to implement when sailing resumes. The group, the Healthy Sail Panel, is being led by former U.S. Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Scott Gottlieb and former U.S. Health Secretary Mike Leavitt.

On March 8, the U.S. State Department said Americans, especially those with underlying conditions, should avoid cruise travel due to "increased risk of infection." In a separate memo updated June 3, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said there's a "high risk" of covid-19 spread on cruise ships because people spend time close together, interact with travelers from around the world and are served by crew members who may bring infections aboard from other ships.

Separately, a study in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report in March found traces of the coronavirus lingered in cruise-ship cabins for as many as 17 days after passengers left.

The Miami Herald has identified 3,644 total cases associated with cruise ships, including 738 on Royal Caribbean ships and 30 with Norwegian. Carnival Corp., the industry leader by market share, has had 2,278 cases. A New York Times report, which used CDC data from a Freedom of Information Act request, said the numbers are far higher.

Even after the U.S. State Department's warning, cruise ships kept departing for the better part of a week until the industry announced it was suspending new sailings on March 13. Since shutting down, the major lines have all tapped financial markets to raise cash and tide them over.

Asked if they regretted sailing as long as they did, both CEOs demurred.

"Things changed so quickly," said Del Rio. "Look how much we know today that we didn't know three short months ago. So no, no regrets on my part at all."

Said Fain: "I would just say we don't get do-overs in these kinds of things."

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