Crash killed 5 aboard copter, Marines confirm

A U.S. Navy CH-53 Super Stallion helicopter flies near Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach, Va., on Thursday.
(AP/Tom Brenner)
A U.S. Navy CH-53 Super Stallion helicopter flies near Naval Air Station Oceana in Virginia Beach, Va., on Thursday. (AP/Tom Brenner)

SAN DIEGO -- The helicopter carrying five Marines that crashed during stormy weather in the mountains outside San Diego was a CH-53E Super Stallion designed to fly through bad weather, even at night.

The Super Stallion is the largest helicopter in the military, but every aircraft has its limits, and while every flight for Marines is considered a training opportunity, there is inherent risk, experts say. Now investigators will be looking at whether it was appropriate to send troops into a region being clobbered by a storm of historic proportions.

The military confirmed Thursday that all five Marines were killed when their helicopter went down during stormy weather, and efforts were underway to recover their remains.

Marine Corps leaders, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and President Joe Biden expressed their condolences.

"It is with a heavy heart and profound sadness that I share the loss of five outstanding Marines from 3d Marine Aircraft Wing and the 'Flying Tigers,'" Maj. Gen. Michael J. Borgschulte, commander of the wing, said in a statement.

Authorities say the CH-53E Super Stallion vanished late Tuesday while conducting a flight training on the way back to Marine Corps Air Station Miramar in San Diego from Creech Air Force Base, northwest of Las Vegas.

The last known contact with the Super Stallion was at about 11:30 p.m. Tuesday, when waves of downpours and snow were hitting the region, Mike Cornette of the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection told CBS 8 news. That location was based on a "ping" reported to a Cal Fire dispatch center.

Marines fly the model in the "most challenging environments you can think of," said Timothy Loranger, a former Marine Corps aircraft mechanic and now a civilian pilot and lawyer who specializes in aviation crashes.

"But even knowing that, it's important for those making the decisions to decide whether the risk is worth it," he said. "Here was a training mission with the crew flying back home to Miramar, so you have to ask, why fly in this weather now? Was this poor judgement or some pilot error issue? These are very important questions that have to be asked."

A mechanical issue in bad weather would also make flying even harder. And while the helicopter was designed for bad weather, ice accumulation on rotor blades could disrupt the ability to create lift for the craft and cause it to crash, Loranger said.

All this will be part of the investigation, Loranger said, adding that it's too early to speculate on what occurred. He said the Super Stallion has a long history of being reliable, but it's not perfect.

The craft was discovered Wednesday morning near Pine Valley, an hour's drive from San Diego.

The mountain community is at about 3,700 feet in elevation in the Cuyamaca Mountains. The area includes San Diego County's second-highest mountain, Cuyamaca Peak, at 6,512 feet, and is also near the Cleveland National Forest, which covers 720 square miles with much of it steep, rocky and with limited trails.

Per military policy, the names of the Marines are not released until 24 hours after all next-of-kin have been notified. The five Marines were assigned to Miramar's Marine Heavy Helicopter Squadron 361, Marine Aircraft Group 16, 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing at Miramar.

Information for this article was contributed by Lolita C. Baldor, Ken Miller and John Antczak of The Associated Press.