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Obama re-elected as president of the United States

By The Associated Press

This article was originally published November 6, 2012 at 6:18 p.m. Updated November 7, 2012 at 12:51 a.m.

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President Barack Obama speaks at his election night party Wednesday, Nov. 7, 2012, in Chicago. President Obama defeated Republican challenger former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

— President Barack Obama won re-election Tuesday night despite a fierce challenge from Mitt Romney as well as a weak economy and high unemployment that crimped the middle-class dreams of millions.

“This happened because of you. Thank you,” he tweeted to supporters as he secured four more years in the White House.

Both candidates were tied at 49 percent in the popular vote as of 11 p.m. CST, however Obama led with 290 electoral votes to Romney's 200.

Obama carried Wisconsin, Oregon, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Michigan, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Vermont, Maine, Minnesota, California, Washington, Hawaii and Romney's home state of Massachusetts. Also, as expected, he won Delaware and Maryland as well as the District of Columbia and Illinois.

Romney had Utah, Mississippi, Arkansas, Nebraska, Wyoming, Louisiana, South Dakota, North Dakota, North Carolina, Idaho, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Kentucky and West Virginia in his column. He also won Indiana, a state Obama carried in 2008 but did not contest this year.

We'll update this story as more information becomes available.

Read more in tomorrow's Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.

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aimee says... November 6, 2012 at 10:39 p.m.

Countdown to President Obama's second term - 75 DAYS..!!!

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MistaPhi05 says... November 6, 2012 at 11:10 p.m.

I LOVE IT.......I LOVE IT......I LOVE IT........Okay Yall Can Get Back To Hating Him NOW..... LOL LOL LOL

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inquire says... November 6, 2012 at 11:14 p.m.

Just 75 more days, Gaitor!

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tncbg says... November 6, 2012 at 11:14 p.m.

Perplexing result but life goes on. Here's hoping Obama proves me wrong. We all need him to bring his best for the next four years.

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kpfs says... November 6, 2012 at 11:33 p.m.

Thank God people with good sense got out and voted!

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cliffcarson says... November 6, 2012 at 11:57 p.m.

Not only did the President earn a second term because of his efforts to turn the Economy around, the Republican Party gets a second chance to do something good for America.

Help Obama get us back to where we should be. Work with Obama.

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inquire says... November 7, 2012 at 12:16 a.m.

If the Republicans should spend another two years with no goal except to 100% obstruct the president, rather than finding ways to compromise and solve problems, the midterm elections might change the makeup of the House.

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LevitiCuss says... November 7, 2012 at 12:29 a.m.

Since the Republicans only idea to date was to "make Obama a one-term president", maybe they can let that go and get back to work doing their job: Working for the American people.

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DontDrinkDatKoolAid says... November 7, 2012 at 12:39 a.m.

tncbg .. Obama will prove you to be right in the next four years as he has proved me right in the last four years. The only change we have is the House went to the Rep. in 2010, and hope we can hold the house and take the Senate in 2014. Thus there lays his problem.

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gan says... November 7, 2012 at 12:46 a.m.

U guys keep gettin your Obama fones, foodstamps, housing,welfare,n if not on disability, do that too. We will keep working n paying for it. sSAD DAY FOR AMERICA

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inquire says... November 7, 2012 at 1:27 a.m.

What scurrilous bull. I don't get any of that stuff. My husband was on disability for only a few months until he was old enough for social security, but I don't think you can classify progressing Parkinson's disease as a welfare scam. Someday you will wake up and realize that many, many Democrats are educated, contributing, tax paying citizens. The more uneducated a person is, the more likely they are to be a Republican, especially a tea party type.

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aimee says... November 7, 2012 at 2:12 a.m.

If the Republican Party does not start trying to HELP America instead of just trying to win elections, they will go the way of the dinosaurs - and "good riddance"..!!!!
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74 more days to President's Obama second term..!!!

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SPA says... November 7, 2012 at 6:14 a.m.

Inquire says: "If the Republicans should spend another two years with no goal except to 100% obstruct the president, rather than finding ways to compromise and solve problems, the midterm elections might change the makeup of the House."

Well said! I believe that people *did* connect the dots between the obstructionist Republican Congress and the difficult recovery we've had. Too many jobs sent overseas by the purported wealthy "job creators." Too many politicians in the R side standing for the wealthy over the average Jane and Joe. Every single one of us needs to write our Congressional representatives regularly and demand that they behave like mature adults instead of spoiled brats in tantrum.

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Populist says... November 7, 2012 at 6:43 a.m.

Thank God. Now, we all should work together to come to some sort of reasonable compromise on the deficit.

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SRBROTHERINLAW says... November 7, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.

Sad sad day...today is the start of the end of Democracy in America. O-bummer will take us down.

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RonalFos says... November 7, 2012 at 7:42 a.m.

Obama has 4 more years because the Republicans couldn't beat something with nothing. Their only plan for the last 4 years was to beat Obama and if they had to keep the country in a recession to do it - so be it. Enough Americans saw through that plan to keep it from working. It's time for Republicans to put our country first, move on and apply the grease of compromise to the gears of democracy.

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jacesbabygirl says... November 7, 2012 at 7:51 a.m.

GROW UP, PEOPLE OF THE SOUTH. JUST VOTE FOR THE PERSON THAT IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTRY AND FOR ONCE, STOP JUDGING PEOPLE BY THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. THIS IS ABOUT OUR LIVES, NOT OUR COLOR. THERE ARE "ALL" COLORS LIVING BELOW THE POVERTY LINE. GOD HELP US ALL.

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Razorblack says... November 7, 2012 at 8:09 a.m.

There's a lot of salty crackers this morning!

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HotSpringsLawyer says... November 7, 2012 at 8:09 a.m.

The phone program does seem dumb, but it started under Reagan (land lines at the time) not Obama.

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NoCrossNoCrown says... November 7, 2012 at 8:58 a.m.

Watched FAUX noise this morning and they were unbelieveable....#NotRealNews
God reigned down His favor once again on America. He blessed us again with a smart leader to govern over our country. The money changers, who tried to buy our country with their wealth, were turned away in their attempt to use their wealth to further their own political agenda. The people have spoken and have chosen who will lead us the next four years. To those who did not vote for the president, our country does not need nor want the type of obstruction that occurred in the last four years. Everybody deserves a seat at the table of democracy, but everyone must show table manners and a willingness to move our country forward. Some tough decisions are before us and neither party has all the answers to solve the challenges we face. We both will have to be willing to do what is best for the nation and not just what our party's political line is. Those who are unwilling to allow progress and/or change to become the new reality, will face the wrath of future voters.
God bless you Mr. President. Congratulation on your second term.....

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inquire says... November 7, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.

T6, for starters, Obama is not a Muslim. Furthermore, please find the consumer confidence thread and read what Cliff posted yesterday, directly quoting what Mormons believe bout God. It is obvious that true Muslims (not the violent radicals) come a lot closer to seeing God as Christians do than the Mormons do. Mormon beliefs about God are 100% different from Biblical and shocking. This makes it bizarre that the same people trying to disparage the president by claiming he is a Muslim would be so eager to vote for Romney. This position is one of extreme, uninformed ignorance.

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MistaPhi05 says... November 7, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.

See I actually Blame FOX NEWS for the GOP feeling bad this morning.....Karl Rove (Bagdad Bob) was still saying Romney was going to win even after Obama went past 270 LOL it was funny.....Still makes me laugh.......Dick Morris hasnt been right about anything since 1996 and he had them thinking Romney was going to WIN in a LANDSLIDE LOL.....EVen MORE funny......Finally FOX NEWS as a whole lives in an Alternate reality where People HATE OBAMA and are worst off now than 4 years ago.....Hope you Southern Folks see than you can win all the REDSTATES you want and still come up 130 Electorial College votes short.....Turn off FOX NEWS and see what the rest of US see.....Fox News are keeping yall IGNORANT....Because yall being IGNORANT is Good Business for them.......Fox News is Dangerous to the USA

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djigoo says... November 7, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.

T6 believes Obama is Muslim? Priceless. What a maroon.

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T6 says... November 7, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.

When all the taxes start coming with the next term won't people be soooo happy they elected this President again?

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hogfan2012 says... November 7, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.

T6 - The tax increases won't affect the Obama supporters because their government handouts aren't taxable income.
NoCrossNoCrown - God will reign down his punishment on this country. He does have a tendency to knock you to your knees when he wants your attention. I believe this is part of God's plan (as much as I dislike it), as I believe there were more Christians praying over this election than ever before. He always answers prayer - just may not be the answer we were hoping for.

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djigoo says... November 7, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.

"Reign down?" Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

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CordisK says... November 7, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.

^ this

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ArkansasObserver says... November 7, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.

Cheer all you want Obamites.... but your country committed suicide last night and many of you are too ignorant to understand what that means.

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toddm76 says... November 7, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.

Not talking all that SMACK now are you...if you had a better candidate than MITT ROMNEY for christs sake. You republicans better get it together in the next fours years or the democrats are going to SMACK you again :-) LOL I love it...eat my shorts...

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inquire says... November 7, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.

MistaPhi05, you paint with a broad brush; I'm a proud native Arkansan. My family goes back more generations here than anyone can remember.

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Jfish says... November 7, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.

The people gloating on here are likely the same ones who were crying foul in 2000 and taking their ball and going home because they lost and life just wasn't fair. In their simple minds, what they don't realize is that most likely in 4 or 8 years, the cycle will shift again. As a true independent, all I have to say is, Pride goeth before the fall.

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toddm76 says... November 7, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.

Us poor, simple minded people. Those are the remarks that we are talking about...calling us ignorant and simple minded isn't helping your cause. Your all just made because the $1,000.'s of dollars you donated to Ole Stinking MUTT ROMNEY didn't work...DEMOCRACY STILL STANDS...learn a lesson...keep blocking progress and you will NEVER get what you desire. Now is the time for republicans to reorganize, and work with the president to get something done for ALL AMERICANS...not just the wealthy.

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Jfish says... November 7, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.

todd, thanks again, you proved my point to a tee, here is a newsflash for you, I voted for Obama.

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toddm76 says... November 7, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.

And let me just add, President Oboma won without having a brother who is governor in FL...just saying...

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toddm76 says... November 7, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.

Great Jfish

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Captialist12 says... November 7, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.

Despite the terrible economic failure of Obama, a slight majority voted for the socialist president who attempted with partial success the government takeover of our private healthcare (1/5 of our economy). Obama has brought us 8-10% unemployment (until it magically dropped below the magic 7.8% in time for the election), over $1 trillion in deficit spending per year (President Bush never spent even 1/2 that amt annually with 9/11 and 2 wars), $6 trillion out of the $16 trillion debt, loss of US S&P AAA credit rating due to overspending (Murphy will likely do the same so that the $16 trillion debt will cost us higher interest rates). Obama bailed out big business and now wants to raise taxes to pay for this. And the youth who voted for Obama will be most betrayed since they will be the ones paying higher and higher taxes and working even more years to pay the debt down.
Obama is head of the executive branch, yet he has stated he will not do his job and enforce illegal immigration. He refuses to fire AG Holder, despite his lying to Congress over the failed gun control scheme Fast and Furious that allowed guns into Mexicans Drug cartels and gangster's hands. Obama and his Head of State Clinton blamed a video no one had seen in the US even and had been out since June for an attack upon our embassy in Libya on 9/11. Instead of outrage and demands of justice for the 4 dead Americans by the Muslim terrorists, Obama spent millions apologizing to Muslims for the video.
Obama does not represent me. He has stated as much since I cling to my guns and religion, in bitterness according to him. I do not know how anyone who loves America could vote for him. Socialists, those who enjoy killing babies with abortion, those who vote according to one’s race, and environmentalists believing in the theory of man-made global warming all would vote for Obama, yet these are in the minority. Regardless, all Americans will continue to suffer even more in the next 4 years as in the past term.

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lazybar says... November 7, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.

before all you koolaid drinkers run to the mailbox for your checks and jump for joy over the win.2 percent is not very much,you want to call all us arkies backwards redneck hicks but look at what would have happened if you eliminated just one of several groups.1-union voters who support obozo because they were told to.2-gay rights voters because he changed his position a month ago.3-blacks that voted for him just because he was black.4-what if sandy didn`t happen?before you jump on your soapbox and label 48 percent of americans as uneducated racist haters maybe you should look at your group of voters who have just proven 50 percent of americans would rather not work for a check but if they did work they wanted overpaid for a sloppy job.oh yeah what about the reports of stocks plummeting this morning?hows that hope and change working now?

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djigoo says... November 7, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.

Punctuate much, lazybar? ;-)

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Packman says... November 7, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.

Congratulations to President Obama. He won fair and square. Mitt's only hope was to have a far superior voter turnout in the critical swing states and the Obama groundgame was unprecedented in its effectiveness getting people to the polls.

This election makes some things obvious. Race is more prevelant in politics today than anytime in history. Blacks voted for BH at a 96% clip, mostly for no better reason than BH is half black. Hispanics voted for BH by almost 70%, largely because they feel he will make illegal acts legal. 100% of entitlement addicts voted for BH, generally because they love the fact he kees giving them other people's money simply because they exist. Big Union voted for BH because they hate successsful entreprenuers more than they hate liars and con men. It's not clear what all this means, but one thing's for sure - people vote with their pocketbooks and the people who see government as provider instead of themselves voted overwhelmingly for BH Obama and anyone else with a "D" beside their name on the ballot. In the next four years the liberals will run out of other people's money and we will be Greece on steriods. To those satisfied with a minimal, government provided existence this will not be a bad thing. To the rest of us, it will be something our kids and grandkids will have to endure. Today is a sad, sad day for America's future.

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TomN says... November 7, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.

Both parties are controlled by extremists, radical socialists (D) and religious fundamentalists (R). Neither party represents me. Certainly wish all our elected officials the best. Our future depends upon it.

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lazybar says... November 7, 2012 at 1:47 p.m.

don`t worry goo,i cans spells goods n nuff to twick your melon.your just the typical koolaid drinker,you can`t take take away from the facts so you try to redirect by attacking my grammer.

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Jstavoice1 says... November 7, 2012 at 2 p.m.

Our job is to pray for our leaders so that we may live a peaceable life. All of the anti-black, anti-rich hype is nothing. We just need to pray that all of our neglected officials be led by the Spirit of God and that they decree righteous decisions. One post declared that Blacks voted for Obama because he is black, but I submit to you that many of you did not vote for him because he is Black. (mmmm)

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djigoo says... November 7, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.

Kelsey Grammer?

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lazybar says... November 7, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.

he does have a good series,i think it is how a lot of politics go on.

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Populist says... November 7, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.

Packman and TOMN,

The American people are watching the looming financial crisis. If the Republicans refuse to cooperate in Simpson-Bowles type reforms, the Republicans will be replaced in 2014. If the left-wing Democrats refuse to cooperate in Simpson-Bowles type reforms, those Democrats will be replaced in 2014. If the Republicans and the Democrats do not get their acts together, expect that the 2016 (and even 2014) elections will be replaced with a third, more moderate option (not libertarians and not Greens). Do not be surprised if Angus King (former Governor of Maine and newly elected Senator) and Michael Bloomberg don't start a third party. If you watched some of the coverage last night, you would realize that increasing numbers of people are describing themselves as Independents. I actually think that Obama has done a decent job and I support him, but I am going to write my elected officials and demand more fiscal restraint.

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inquire says... November 7, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.

Some of you people suffer from terminal ignorance, especially the ones who cannot grasp, no matter how many times we tell you, that we Democrats on here are NOT, I repeat NOT on welfare and getting free stuff. Your heads are hard enough to use for bowling balls with no injury. Presenting facts to you is like throwing pearls to swine.
Now that I have been spared a vulture capitalist cult member, who doesn't believe God is divine, as president, I simply don't want conversation with you in my life. Time to get back to enjoying what is left of fall.

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Populist says... November 7, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.

Justavoice,

Yes, we should pray for our leaders, but we also should write them angry letters about the fiscal irresponsibility and the lack of cooperation. Many of us voted for Obama simply because he makes the most sense. If you cut here and there and tax a bit here and there and stay out of wars, we can get our fiscal house in order. While we do not want to cause a fiscal crisis by drastic cuts, we do need to start moving in the right direction. What the Republicans have been offering in terms of candidates is nothing short of embarrassing. Yes, Romney made lots of money, but he made it as a corporate raider, and his taxes were so crooked that he could not even disclose them. His "plan" called for decreased taxes and increased military spending at a time when we need to deal with the education, crime, and drugs. The Independent Angus King elected to the Senate from Maine seems to have some sense; maybe he can do some good up there in the Senate. The halls of Congress are filled with too many whores.

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djigoo says... November 7, 2012 at 3:54 p.m.

Amen, inquire! I just created jobs for 15 people TODAY. One of my projects just launched this morning.

I'm not usually one to gloat, but I love that the idjits are caterwaulin' to high heaven this morning. Did you hear Rush? OMG...he's lost it completely. Hilarious.

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ELKHUNTER says... November 7, 2012 at 4 p.m.

What does it say about the TEA-O-P when a "Black Marxist Muslim Kenyan" can defeat the BEST CANDIDATE YOU HAVE? The Republican teabag party is slowly fading into history. Notice how even republican candidates were disassociating themselves far away from the tea party this time around? Where was Sarah "offend people" Palin during all this? Or Michelle "say something stupid" Bachman? No one would let them anywhere near a TV camera, and for good reason! The GOP also blackballed one of their own, President Bush was not welcome on the republican political circuit during election season. His endorsement was a death sentence to any republican candidate, as people might equate his miserable failure of a presidency to the candidate's own goals.

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T6 says... November 7, 2012 at 5:46 p.m.

I'm just wondering if Obama's Plan for the next 4 years is to blame Bush? Of course it will be because he has no plan other than talk, tax and spend. The Republicans should let the DemocRats do what they want for the next 4 years then they will have no one to blame. The DemocRats will own it then. Oh I forgot they would probably blame the R's for NOT obstructing them!!!!!!!!

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aimee says... November 7, 2012 at 5:55 p.m.

Republicans are really facing a dilemma..!!! They KNOW that they need to attract more non-male-white-straight voters but they have this large element of their BASE that is anti-woman, racist, and homophobic.. What to do..????
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Do they alienate this base and lose more and more elections or do they "humor" them and lose more and more elections..??? What will they EVER do..???

STILL 74 DAYS to the beginning of President Obama's second term..!!!

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ELKHUNTER says... November 7, 2012 at 6:24 p.m.

T6 why so bitter? Obama definitely has your interests in mind, as a poor Arkansan, moreso than (R)money. Why middle class folks would ever vote for a tax increase on themselves so that billionaires can keep more is baffling. There will NEVER be another Republican president, my friend. Not the Republican party that showed its ugly face this time around.

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Populist says... November 7, 2012 at 6:48 p.m.

Inquire,

While I understand that you might not want to keep communicating here because of the crazies, it is important that voices like yours be heard. You should think about running for office. I am sure that you have more sense than 99% of the state legislature.

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Packman says... November 7, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.

Hey Populist - You are wrong about 2012. D's picked up critical seats in the Senate as they rode BH's coattails of blacks, hispanics, entitlement addicts, and women who vote with their vaginas. Those four critical demograhics will not turn out to the same degree with BH not on the ticket in 2012. Vulnerable D's will get ousted in 2012, you can take that to the bank. America's last, best hope is absolute gridlock within the legislative branch in the next four years.

And are you serious about inquire running for public office? With the exception of djigoo, there hasn't been a more hateful and close-minded contributor on this site than inquire. Surely you jest....

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T6 says... November 7, 2012 at 8:35 p.m.

Packman....... I couldn't agree more.... Doesn't say much about Women in the DemocRat party if free birth control and abortions are the most important issues.

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JakeTidmore says... November 7, 2012 at 8:50 p.m.

I think something Winston Churchill once said applies to the current conversation Americans have with each other about politics:

A fanatic is someone who won't change his mind or the subject.

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djigoo says... November 7, 2012 at 8:55 p.m.

Seriously, folks...it's great fun watching all the haters implode today, isn't it?

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cliffcarson says... November 7, 2012 at 9:12 p.m.

Packman

Could it be that Romney, Ryan, and the Republican Party lost because of too many Republicans like you running around insulting people?

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BillSmith says... November 7, 2012 at 9:40 p.m.

TomN ...... did you vote 3rd party, if not why?

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BillSmith says... November 7, 2012 at 11:11 p.m.


“Take My Country Back” is the Tea Party and right wing slogan. Take it back to where, I ask.
They say take it back to what the founding fathers envisioned. We are losing our freedom and liberties; I say what liberties have you lost?
Let’s look a little closer at where they want to take this country back to:
The Constitution of the United States was drafted in 1787, and included several provisions regarding slavery. Section 9 of Article I allowed the continued "importation" of slaves. By prohibiting changes for two decades to regulation of the slave trade, Article V effectively protected the trade until 1808, giving the States then existing 20 years to resolve this issue. During that time, planters in states of the Lower South imported tens of thousands of slaves, more than during any previous two decades in colonial/US history.[28]
As further protection for slavery, the delegates approved Section 2 of Article IV, which prohibited citizens from providing assistance to escaping slaves and required the return of chattel property to owners.
In a section negotiated by James Madison of Virginia, Section 2 of Article I designated "other persons" (slaves) to be added to the total of the state's free population, at the rate of three-fifths of their total number, to establish the state's official population for the purposes of apportionment of Congressional representation and federal taxation.[29] This increased the power of southern states in Congress for decades, affecting national policies and legislation. They were represented primarily by men of their planter elite, who also dominated the presidency for nearly 50 years.
The Virginia Slave codes of 1705 further defined as slaves those people imported from nations that were not Christian, as well as Native Americans who were sold to colonists by other Native Americans. This established the basis for the legal enslavement of any non-Christian foreigner.
1790-When the Constitution was written, only white male property owners (about 10 to 16 percent of the nation's population) had the vote.

1855-Connecticut adopts the nation's first literacy test for voting. Massachusetts follows suit in 1857. The tests were implemented to discriminate against Irish-Catholic immigrants.

1890-Mississippi adopts a literacy test to keep African Americans from voting. Numerous other states—not just in the south—also establish literacy tests. However, the tests also exclude many whites from voting.

I’ll bet you thought that voter suppression was something new, like cutting early voting days in Ohio and Florida. Give me one valid reason for cutting early voting days other than trying to suppress the vote of a certain electorate.

I ask, how many of you want to go back to the above?

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aimee says... November 7, 2012 at 11:36 p.m.

T6:
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If it was YOUR body that others wanted to violate for THEIR OWN moral benefit, maybe you would understand why women are concerned about these "important issues"... Since it doesn't affect YOUR body at all, you could care less...
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No one, and especially not men, have a right dictating to a woman on what she can and can't do with her body.. Period..!!!

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liberte09150851 says... November 8, 2012 at 7:35 a.m.

At least Arkansas can hold its head high and know we did the right thing.

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T6 says... November 8, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.

The Communist Manifesto more to your liking BillSmith?

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T6 says... November 8, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.

And so it begins America;

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REUTERS – Hours after U.S. President Barack Obama was re-elected, the United States backed a U.N. committee’s call on Wednesday to renew debate over a draft international treaty to regulate the $70 billion global conventional arms trade.

U.N. delegates and gun control activists have complained that talks collapsed in July largely because Obama feared attacks from Republican rival Mitt Romney if his administration was seen as supporting the pact, a charge Washington denies.

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T6 says... November 8, 2012 at 8:49 a.m.

Boeing Announces Big Layoffs in Defense Division

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GAITOR says... November 8, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.

OK, the people have spoken and BHO won the election. I was wrong in my preditions of who would win. It is obvious that the American electorate has made a major shift. Therefore, I was way off in my assessment of the inteligence of the American electorate. Anyone that voted for a president that failed at virtually everything he said he would do in his first term, increased the national debt by 5+ trillion, fell some 9 million jobs short of his own measure of success at creating new jobs, hates job creators, yet says he loves new jobs, lied repeatedly about the Benghazi attack (the fall-out of which is not completed), took money from Social Security and Medicare to pay for scocialized medicine, which he shoved down the throat of the unwilling, and repeatedly insulted our strongest international allies, is obviouly not terribly intelligent.
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30 years ago, if a president had a first term as disasterous as did BHO, re-election would have been nothing more than a pipe dream. Not only would the potus have been unable to win the general election, primary opposition would have been strong.
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I pray for BHO, I pray for all of our leaders and I pray for all Americans especially those that will come after us, because they will have to endure the burdens that BHO's two administrations will place on generations to come.

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BillSmith says... November 8, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.

T6, You and Gaitor are stuck in a time wrap like the time in history I described above.
It has nothing to do with communisim T6 and all to do with learning from your mistakes as a country. Regarding Boeing, I hate to see anyone loose their job, but the defense industry in bloated and cost the government more than it should, it needs a good haircut.

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ELKHUNTER says... November 8, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.

Every industrialized country on earth has national health care, except one.

One of my favorite TEA party moments was when they tried to disrupt a town hall meeting where the President's health insurance plan was being discussed. They started a melee with supporters and some were injured, one Tea party member seriously. Turns out the injured man HAD NO INSURANCE and appealed for handouts and donations. The hospital ended up writing off his bill and us taxpayers paid for it. Ironic isn't it?

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MistaPhi05 says... November 8, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.

I dont see how everyone having to buy Private insurance make it "government run" or a "government takeover" as these stupid Tea Party and GOP lovers suggest...Do Yall Consider the Auto insurance industry Government ran or government takeover as Well? I swear GOP supporter are living in a very different world....

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XAV8OR says... November 8, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.

I'm curious who will be blamed for the mess Obama is inheriting this term.

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ELKHUNTER says... November 8, 2012 at 3:19 p.m.

I can tell you that he won't blame a woman for getting raped. He won't say something totally ignorant like "'legitimate rape' rarely ends in pregnancy"! He won't say its Gods plan for a pregnancy that occurs from rape, and therefore should be ok for any woman! How absurd! Good Bye Republican Party of Ignorance! You are your own downfall!

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lazybar says... November 8, 2012 at 4:26 p.m.

king putt will be to busy playing golf and watching michelles trashy booty get wider than to worry about someone getting raped.

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T6 says... November 8, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.

youtube. com/watch?v=xhblsFPVRys

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ELKHUNTER says... November 8, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.

Lazybar you are the quintessential Republican! If you want to know why the GOP failed, look in the mirror.

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djigoo says... November 8, 2012 at 5:47 p.m.

Even after having their hind ends handed to them Tuesday, the Teabaggers are STILL rooting for America's demise! Don't the T6s and lazybars of the world realize THEY are why the GOP is imploding?

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Bushes says... November 8, 2012 at 7:07 p.m.

Sir Bama re- elected! Welfare recipients and deadbeats win! Hard workers lose. So what else is new? Sigh.......

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Packman says... November 8, 2012 at 7:20 p.m.

Hey CliffCarson - I'm not surprised you would attack the truth by calling it insulting. Is it insluting to call Jerry Sandusky a child molestor? Yes, it's insulting, but nevertheless the truth. Sadly, many voters feel better about not recognizing the truth if it doesn't fit with their personal agendas. Again, BH was re-elected because his machine did a much better job of getting out his core constituency than anyone expected or predicted. His core consitutency consists of blacks, hispanics, welfare addicts, and women who voted with their vaginas. Blacks support BH because he is half-black; hispanics support him because they believe he will make an illegal action legal; welfare addicts support him because they have no problems accepting other people's money having done absolutely nothing to earn it; vagina minded women voted for BH because getting an abortion is a better option than accepting responsibility for a voluntary action. Can't handle the truth? Not my problem.

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T6 says... November 8, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.

Djigoo....... I'm not a Republican....... I AM A CONSERVATIVE!!!!! BIG DIFFERENCE!

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ELKHUNTER says... November 8, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.

Packman don't be jealous! It's not (totally) your fault your party of white men could not even defeat a BLACK MARXIST KENYAN MUSLIM!! HA HA!! I would be bitter, too!! TEA party! HA HA!! LMFAO!!

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BillSmith says... November 8, 2012 at 7:48 p.m.

T6....that is worst than being a Republican

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BillSmith says... November 8, 2012 at 7:51 p.m.

I just hope all of your WASP conservatives just keep on keeping on with your ideaology, you will be the reason your will see that grand old party swirling down the drain when you push the flush handle with you mouths.

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djigoo says... November 8, 2012 at 9:39 p.m.

Conservative...GOP...Teabagger...

Like there's a difference?

Sheesh.

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cliffcarson says... November 8, 2012 at 11:45 p.m.

Packman

I said you were insulting, I didn't mention the truth. You can't handle the truth and you prove it with every comment you make on here.

I voted for Obama. I am white. I have said before that my extended family spans every Continent on this Globe except Antarctica.

I have found that when we have family reunions we are all human beings and respect one another. And that includes all the races represented and the varied religions. And that includes the Republicans in the Family. People in my family recognize the good in everyone but you have to realize there must be exceptions, they have never met you.

None are on welfare and I suspect they are much more generous with their giving than the majority of people who get puffed up by calling everyone stupid. People like you are really what drags down anything they belong to. You drag down the social intercourse on this thread.

Do you hate everything? Is there anything besides yourself that you like?

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T6 says... November 9, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.

Obama won by 2 million+ votes. THAT is not a mandate! THAT was a lot of people worried about the direction Obama is taking our country.

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lazybar says... November 9, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.

the differance is goo is that the conservitives are the ones who pay for the liberals idea of share the wealth.maybe shocking to you but i voted for more dems than reps last tuesday.again i voted for the lesser of 2 evils just like i did 4 years ago,if there had of been any other choice belive me i would have voted for them.i am and i live the american dream,i grew up poor and i paid a good life for myself.obama is against the american dream and everything it stands for,i`m sorry i can`t vote for someone who hates america

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djigoo says... November 9, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.

Actually, lazybar, blue states subsidize red states. Been that way forever. Sorry if the truth is at odds with your warped world view.

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djigoo says... November 9, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.

ht tp://ww w.google.co m/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=blue+states+subsidize+red+states&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

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BillSmith says... November 9, 2012 at 10:59 a.m.

T6, lazybar......You two and the rest of the tea party will have to welcome two more Democrats to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in 2016, Hillary Clinton as President and Bill Clinton as VP.
Have a good 4 years thinking about that.

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MistaPhi05 says... November 9, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.

332-206 Is a Mandate......Big Victory......Landslide is the word to use there.....GOP is already giving up the store to reverse what they see on the wall.....Hating everything and everyone is not a winning position

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lazybar says... November 9, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.

goo i guess you think the civil war was about slavery?who subsidizes california?are they not blue?red states blue states who cares to many subsidies in all states.48% voted against him,means we the people don`t have much faith in 4 years of failed policies.what was the percentage that voted for clinton his second term?
billsmith..........really.......we are and will be so more more f***ed in the next 4 years it will be just like what happened in 2008,even jfk couldn`t get elected on a dem ticket.hopefully in four years we will have a replacement that does not lean to far right or left.i can`t believe you didn`t add biden to your prediction,no faith in him?biden is the only person in this world who would be worse than obama at president.

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ELKHUNTER says... November 9, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.

Lazybar Lazybar! You got the google machine! Use it!! California only receives .78 cents for every tax dollar paid! On the other hand Arkansas, and most other GOP leaning states, receives a federal handout....$1.41 for every tax dollar paid. Californian's taxes are actually subsidizing you! Simple information that is easy to find. But don't let facts stop your misinformation campaign...

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Bushes says... November 9, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.

Obama, Mitt, Hillary, Demos, Rep, don't matter. What matters are the Worker Bees. When there are not enough worker bees to pay the bills - that matters and then the supportees will finally get it! Time to wake up and smell the coffee, if there's any left. Hope everyone has a good day - time for the worker bees to head to the mines - got a lot of mouths to feed!

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lazybar says... November 9, 2012 at 1 p.m.

elkhunter,google unemployment benefits.look at the rate california is borrowing that they can`t pay back.extending unemployment benefits is just another form of welfare.

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ELKHUNTER says... November 9, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.

Lazybar, yes it is a form of welfare. So are farm subsidies and tax writeoffs for oil companies and a myriad of other seemingly everyday things. We all are funding things we don't agree with. It's called society. But when it comes to the 'welfare problem' the GOP has conditioned you to look down to find blame when you should be looking up.

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djigoo says... November 9, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.

Give it up, Elkhunter. Logic doesn't work with some.

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T6 says... November 9, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.

MistaPhi05....... Not considering Obama lost 10 million votes from 2008
BillSmith..... When Obama and his corrupt party are done in this 4 years the DemocRats won't be able to run as dog catchers!!!! That is IF it's still the USofA

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BillSmith says... November 9, 2012 at 10:58 p.m.

T6.............the right wing won Arkansas and lost the Nation. You people do not understand the word demographics, because it is not in your favor. As the old right wing WASP die off they will be replaced by more liberal WASP. The tea party should think about becomming a third political party or as radical as they are they may want to suceed again and become the New Confederate WASP of America country. They already have all of the old original confederate states but Florida.

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T6 says... November 10, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.

BillSmith says....the right wing won Arkansas and lost the Nation. Are you freaking kidding me?? Obama did not win the popular vote by a landslide. The Republicans lost IMO because Romney wasn't comfortable in espousing conservative principals, agreed with Obama on too many issues, played the nice guy, he should have hammered Obama on Benghazi, all the money he sank into failed green energy companies and his trillion dollar deficits. He listen to the Republican echelon and LOST. For peat sake he let the left beat him up for being rich as if that is a dirty thing. Now the Republican elitist are already picking the next R candidate. We got McCain, Romney, will the next one be a Bush again?

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Packman says... November 10, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.

Hey CliffCarson - I am not insulting. Some may erroneously see my words as insulting, but "I" can't insult anyone. As to the truth, it's truth that you always know you've won the debate when your opponent results to ad hominem attacks. Yes, I won. In my comments about BH and the election I referred to his "core constituency". There is no doubt white, married, heterosexuals (you are hetero, right?) voted for BH. None of that changes the fact his core constituency consists of welfare addicts, blacks, hispanics, and women who vote with their vaginas. Why do I say women who vote with their vaginas? These women vote based on birth control, either that prevent or end pregnancy, all of which has to pass through their vaginas. Hence, they vote with their vaginas. Now, in answer to your questions I have no hate in my heart. Hate is destructive in any shape, form, or fashion. Besides liking myself and feeling comfortable in my own skin, I like honest and hard working people, duck hunting, fried catfish, funny women, special needs kids, my dog, and Jack Daniels, just to scratch the surface. Do we have any of those "likes" in common?

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NoCrossNoCrown says... November 10, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.

Mitt shook down billionaires for millions and millions and used very little of his own money....
He got people to tell them what they wanted to hear regardless of the facts and had FAUX noise to help spread those untruths. He played them like the suckers they are!!!!
....and now is laughing all the way to the bank, just like Dick Morris Grover and Newt....
Keep bilking them, they have plenty of money to cover the stupid moves they try....roflmao

Now that FL has weighed in (finally)...This is what a landslide/mandate looks like....
The people have spoken and chose the path the president has laid out....
John and Mitch, respect the people and get out of the way.....think about Nov 2014!!!
Would someone tell Grover to bend....lol He has screwed this country for the last time...
We want the wealthy to pay their FAIR share and we will close loopholes too...
Leave women's reproductive decisions to women and their doctors, not big brother.....
Health care is a right for ALL citizens, not one just for the most wealthy among us.....
Don't bet against American workers....EVER......let Detroit fail ??.....ha ha...!!
Everybody benefits from CLEAN air and a safe work place.....even the gop faithful...
Those children were brought to USA and know no other country as their HOME,
figure out how to reform the policies and stop making these CHILDREN into criminals....
It's not you messaging, IT'S YOUR POLICIES.......ALWAYS HAS BEEN!!!
Stop trying to kill our economy, so you can blame it on the president.....STOP IT!!!
Tell your millionaire donors that they only get one vote and so do we 47%ers....all of us...
Millions of dollars = one vote or Zero dollars = millions of VOTES...take your pick gop....

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djigoo says... November 10, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.

"Hey CliffCarson - I am not insulting. Some may erroneously see my words as insulting, but "I" can't insult anyone."

And then, in the same post...

"None of that changes the fact his core constituency consists of welfare addicts, blacks, hispanics, and women who vote with their vaginas."

I think the only person with TRUE "special needs" in your world is your own damn self, Packman.

Shameful.

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ELKHUNTER says... November 10, 2012 at 5:27 p.m.

Packman, you are so right! We should immediately cancel womens right to vote (the 19th ammendment- I can see you don't appreciate history) before this country is destroyed by voting vaginas! (I wonder how a vagina votes on a touch screen?) ;-)

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djigoo says... November 10, 2012 at 6 p.m.

Next, he'll blame labia unions.

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ELKHUNTER says... November 10, 2012 at 6:35 p.m.

Packman you may have some luck next time if you only let republicans vote with their penises.

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RonalFos says... November 10, 2012 at 8:20 p.m.

All I can say is I hope the Republican party continues with ideas I read above because it will surely lead to bigger defeats in the future. This election could be the high water mark for the Republican party for the rest of this century. Billionaire fat cats may not be so willing to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to back candidates with little chance of winning from now on. They really got burned this go around.

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djigoo says... November 10, 2012 at 10:39 p.m.

Something tells me that if Packman votes with his penis, his candidate will come up a little bit short.

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NoCrossNoCrown says... November 10, 2012 at 11 p.m.

These idiots thinking that all welfare reciepients are Obama supporters, when there are more whites on welfare than any other race. Baseless lies are the core of the gop talking points. If the election results had been reversed with Robmany winning, they would be all over the news media calling his win a mandate. So, Now that the president won, they want to call it "just a shallow victory"....Total B.S.
He spelled out what his tax plan was during the election and the people voted FOR his plan. Tax entitlement loopholes that only benefit the wealthy are on the endangered species list too. If someone makes 1000 times more that you or I do, they should be paying a 1000 times more in tax than you or I. All the gloom and doom that these chicken hawks have been running around trying to scare folks with, did not work and we are moving FORWARD..... you can be part of the progress or just a speed bump on this journey. Either way, I don't care!!
But make no mistake about it, we are moving FORWARD.....

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cliffcarson says... November 11, 2012 at 1 a.m.

NoCrossNOCrown

There are some witty people on here. I had some good laughs. Packman on the other hand is vastly superior in his own mind. I don't think he has a clue how ignorant he sounds. So we need to be kind to him, not only does he not know any better, he doesn't want to know any better.

He reminds me of a former acquaintance. I will call him Fred,on here. Seriously he was a Republican. Or so he said. Anyway he had bought a new furnace for his house and was complaining about the the flame - didn't think it was burning right. Since he lived in the country and used Butane, I told him he might have a furnace with orifices for Natural gas. He asked me how he could tell. I told him to be watching the burner when the flame came on and see if it had a heavy yellow flame. I'll do it when I get home he said.

Next day he came to work with singed hair and a real bad disposition. And he was some kind of mad at me. He said I tricked him into burning his hair. I asked him how that happened and he told me that he did what I said and got burned. I don't understand how you got burned - tell me how it happened I asked.

He said well you told me to be watching when the flame came on so I went up on the roof and took the cap off the exhaust pipe and was looking down it when the flame came on and that hot air singed my hair. So you set me up cause you knew I would burn my hair.

The moral of the story Packman is sometimes when you are calling people stupid you don't realize who the ignorant one is.

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Wildwood says... November 11, 2012 at 6:23 a.m.

From ghoulies and ghosties,
And long-leggedy beasties,
Things that go bump in the night, and OBAMA,
Good Lord, deliver us!!

Popular vote should count, not electoral.

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cliffcarson says... November 11, 2012 at 7:37 a.m.

Wildwood

Surely you jest. Surely you realize that Obama won the popular vote by over 2 million votes don't you?

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RonalFos says... November 11, 2012 at 7:44 a.m.

I hate to break it to you, but Obama won the popular vote too!

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T6 says... November 11, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.

RonalFos.......
We get it that the DemocRats won by hook and by crook. But YOU and all who voted for Obama won nothing but to help take your country into more decline. The ones who voted for and those who voted against Obama our tribulations are just beginning. Christians can only pray Obama will have a Saul come to Jesus moment.

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BillSmith says... November 11, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.

T6............ You need to consult with Pat Robertson, because he told everyone GOD told him who was going to win the election, but he had to keep it a secret. He has not divulged who GOD told hin would win. I wonder why? Any gueses? Since you right wingers and Fox are saying hurricane Sandy changed the outcome in Obama's favour and you think GOD controls the weather. DUH, who do you think helped Obama win the election.

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T6 says... November 11, 2012 at 3:17 p.m.

I need not consult with anyone, only to have faith in the Lord above. He is in control!!!!! You will know that when the time comes!

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Packman says... November 11, 2012 at 3:27 p.m.

Hey djigoo - "Something tells me that if Packman votes with his penis, his candidate will come up a little bit short." Clever. Very clever. Sounds like something I would have said. Again, Jerry Sandusky probably is insulted when characterized as a child molester and prefers to be characterized as someone who appreciates the company of kids. Both statements are true, with one insluting to Sandusky and the other insluting to the kids. There is no contradiction whatsoever in my characterizations of BH Obama's core vote. Now, say something funny and continue to lose the debate.

Hey djigoo, ElkHunter, CliffCarson, Ronal, etc. - Again, your ad hominem attacks admit defeat, and thank you very much. It is most telling that you cannot logically deny the characterizations I provided of BH Obama's core constituency.

As to BH's mandate, those claims are laughable unless you are a useful idiot to stupid to do the math on the popular vote.

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MistaPhi05 says... November 11, 2012 at 3:40 p.m.

Pacman,

Republicans core voters. White Men in the Southern States. Still waiting on the South to rise again.

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djigoo says... November 11, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.

"Both statements are true, with one insluting to Sandusky and the other insluting to the kids."

If you say so.

;-)

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djigoo says... November 11, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.

"Again, your ad hominem attacks admit defeat..."

Uh, was your cable out last Tuesday?

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Reason says... November 11, 2012 at 9:30 p.m.

I want to thank Farm Bureau for endorsing and paying for all of Todd Akin's tv advertising ... It truly helped to win the election and was greatly appreciated!
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I also want to thank all the preachers in the pulpit that taught... "There is no such thing as a democrat Christian." You see democrats must first convert to republican and to show yourself approved must vote against a Christian for a Mormon in order to be saved.
(I think that verse is in the book of Latter Day Binders)

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lazybar says... November 12, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.

21 states as of noon today have filed for a petition to secede.just wondering for all you liberals that hate it in the south if this happens will you need help packing?

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djigoo says... November 12, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.

These ridiculous secession antics only reinforce the notion that the GOP has become overrun with Teabaggers and Talibangelicals who do not operate in a world even APPROACHING rational. Keep it up, lazybar. Since you and your ilk don't provide any useful input as to how this country should move forward together, at least it's fun to point and laugh heartily at fools such as your sad, sorry self.

Yep...Keep the lunacy machine at full-tilt boogie, buddy, and we'll be celebrating another Clinton in the White House in January, '17!

(Seriously...didn't your kind learn ANYTHING from what happened last Tuesday?)

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djigoo says... November 12, 2012 at 2:04 p.m.

BTW...We're moving TO Arkansas as soon as possible, so get ready for Arkansas to get just a bit bluer and move just a bit closer to the 21st century pretty dang soon!

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lazybar says... November 12, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.

what was to learn goo?that union voters only vote for who they were told to and blacks are the biggest racist.sorry those to facts were already known.king putt won by 2%, winning is winning i`ll give you that but you act like it was a landslide.
no i really doubt anything will come from the seceding talks.most likely he will be removed from office before that happens.i would like to say that it would be nice if he didn`t finish his second term but then we would be left with biden.that would only be replacing a moron with a idiot.
oh btw if the last 4 years was a taste of the 21st i`d rather go back a hundred years ago when our nation was great and respected.

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SRBROTHERINLAW says... November 12, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.

Anyone who voted "for" this idiot deserves what you get in the next 4.

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Packman says... November 12, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.

Hey djigoo - What, can't think of anything funny to say that doesn't include your favorite slur "retard"? Bless your heart. In a debate, you're no different than the chickenspit fan that heckles athletes from the safety of the cheap seats. Speaking of ad hominem attacks, are you pre or post surgery for that deductadicktomey? See, I can be clever too. Sorry, but I don't get your reference to losing cable. Mind explaining?

Hey Mista - Yes, the Republican core constituency is white males over the age of 30 as well as stay at home moms, gun owners, pickup truck owners, and Sunday School teachers. You got a problem with any of that?

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djigoo says... November 12, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.

Some of you should head over to Altus, Arkansas with all those sour grapes! I'll bet the Wiederkehrs and the Posts could make some pretty decent Beaujolais WhoKnew?veau with this year's harvest from Cloud Cuckoo Land's ample vineyards. Peabrain Noir...Voter ID Cardonnay...Sauternecoats...so MANY whiny gripes. I mean, winey grapes!

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djigoo says... November 12, 2012 at 3:44 p.m.

LOL@Packman.

Seriously?

You didn't get it?

Wow.

Carry on.

And watch your demographic continue to shrivel up and wither just like your, well...

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aimee says... November 12, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.

69 DAYS to the beginning of our president's second term...!!!
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I'm looking forward to the next 4 years of prosperity, the growth of social justice, and proving that those who claim to be "conservative" ("A person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in politics.") have been holding our great nation back..!!!
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FORWARD..!!!!

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MistaPhi05 says... November 12, 2012 at 4:06 p.m.

Packman Its not clever to just rip off Rush Limbaugh..Thats his jokes...I dont have a problem with any of those demographics. They just will not win national elections anymore.. I swear if some of yall would just travel anywhere outside these southern states you would see that the world is leaving yall behind....

Lazybar, See the south is trying to rise again....LOL......secede......How crazy is that...The south lost dude.....THEY LOST THEN....WOULD LOSE NOW.....In 20 years, the core of the GOP will no longer be living......Evole or die......Is what the GOP has to do now

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lazybar says... November 12, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.

misty .........when did oregon and new york become southern states?i know you hate the white man that holds you down but geez maybe if you got a job you could pick yourself up?
aimmee.......do you really believe your welfare checks are going to get bigger now that there are more applying everyday?

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MistaPhi05 says... November 12, 2012 at 5:15 p.m.

LAZY....I know yall like to believe all liberals are jobless folks recieving government checks...But I do very well in Obamas economy...But I belong to one of those evil unions, forcing my employer to pay me high wages and provide health care for me and my family.....But then I dont work in Arkansas.....

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djigoo says... November 12, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.

If we dumped Texas and granted statehood to Puerto Rico, we'd not only have a better country, but we wouldn't have to incur the hassle and expense of changing the flag!

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Packman says... November 12, 2012 at 9 p.m.

Hey Mista - What did I rip off from Limbaugh? Please enlighten me. And yes, America's demographics are changing and to win the Presidency Republicans must get votes from Hispanics and at least some women who vote with their vaginas. Marco Rubio will bite into the Hispanic demographic and women who vote with their reproductive organs will support Rubio because he's one fine looking man. Republicans can forget about blacks. Sadly, blacks have marginalized themselves in national politics due to their loyalty to demorats. Republicans should waste neither time nor money on the black vote in the current political climate.

Hey djigoo - Maybe I'm being dense, but no, I did not get your losing cable statement. Your explanation will probably make me look stupid, but I really don't get it.

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MistaPhi05 says... November 12, 2012 at 10:24 p.m.

Pacman, Thats what makes the GOP so out of touch......Yall think just by sticking someone with a Latin name, will cause Latinos to vote for them...It will not work, just like a Herman Cain, Condie Rice, or Clarence Thomas wouldnt get Blacks to vote for the GOP.....Most Hispanics Depise Rubio....

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DEACONFRED says... November 12, 2012 at 10:56 p.m.

I see that my home state is showing its hatred again.

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aimee says... November 12, 2012 at 11:32 p.m.

lazy:
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Prosperity will flow to all and will no longer be bottle-necked at the top..!!!

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Populist says... November 13, 2012 at 6:41 a.m.

Packman,
Women are not going to vote for some guy just because he is good looking, and hispanics are not going to vote for somebody just because they have a latin name. Your advice to "forget the blacks" is counter to most political wisdom. Sometimes if you can just get 10% of a certain group, it may be enough to win. I know Ed Bethune got black support when he ran for Congress.

If Romney had proposed a more moderate agenda, he would have won. Moderates simply preferred Obama's plan of moderate cuts, moderate tax increases on the wealthy, and decreased military spending than Romney's voodoo math of military increases, decreased taxes on the rich, and sticking it to the middle class and poor. Moderates such as Michael Bloomberg and Colin Powell endorsed Obama.

The Republicans should bring back Michael Steele and try to bring back moderates if they want to win in the future. Richy Rich and the far right Santorum types are unacceptable to us moderates.

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lazybar says... November 13, 2012 at 9:12 a.m.

misty so what your saying is that you get overpaid for doing a crappy job.
aimmee you want the rich to pay more because a large majority of americans never learned to budget thier money.by taxing them more they will just make concessions in other areas to makeup for the loss.i`m not rich by any means but i have done far better than most.sales are down a little but operating cost are out of the roof.to maintain our lifestyle when a lady that worked for me retired i didn`t replace her.instead i went back to doing more work myself.in the past 2 years we no longer use the lady that cleaned our house or the kid i paid to do yard work because these were things i could do for ourselves.i do not like arkids,medicaid,medicare,obamacare,bad schools,rough roads,or united nations.since our government can`t use its funds wisely my betterhalf and myself have decided since we have a nice nest egg,owe very little and have great credit we should change the way we support our government.things we have never done before are use every tax break,loop hole,and farm subsidy we could get.i will spend every dime my cpa says i can on farm stuff,it will be our intention for the next four years not to pay a dime in federal taxes.i did not work hard all my life so people like you could have a free ride.

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inquire says... November 13, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.

Lazybar, I have difficulty believing that anyone who's written communication looks like that of an elementary school student is really a business owner.
Wingnuts implying that all Democrats are fiscally irresponsible people who never worked will not make it so. As my dad used to say, "you're just talking to hear your head rattle."
Most of us worked for many years, and despite having to fight for a fair shake all along the way, we also own homes and have no debt. Furthermore, we don't find it some big change to be cleaning our own homes and mowing our own yards. That's what we call life.
Since you are plotting how to become a freeloader on the backs of the real working people who have no tax loopholes, please do not use any highways or any service that gets part of it's money from the federal government until you start paying your share again.

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lazybar says... November 13, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.

inquire i don`t really care to what you find difficult.if you had of ever made anything in your life you would have known math is more important than spelling.if i remembered correctly from a post you are one of the ones who didn`t prepare for your golden years and now have a sick husband with no insurance.because of your lack of preperation you now expect the rest of us to take care of you.
oh and i`m quite certain i have paid in more taxes than you ever have so i have no problem driving on rough roads while i watch people like you starve.

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Populist says... November 13, 2012 at 11 a.m.

Lazybar,

There you go again--being an old, white male jerk. With your charm, you are not helping persuade people over to your viewpoint.

One of the things government should do is to care for people who have suffered some calamity. While my husband and I pay in the top 1% of taxes every year, there may be the day where one of us or one of my children could suffer from a terrible illness or calamity which our amply savings and insurance may not cover. It probably won't happen, but after all the taxes we have paid through the years this is the type of protection which gives us comfort and which people in a civilized society should want. I don't mind paying taxes so that I don't have to see handicapped beggars out on the street. (Well, I do see some of those, but many are con men who make $80 thousand a year.)

You need to lighten up and seek Christ or something to make you a more happy person. What you wrote to Inquire was beyond horrible.

Inquire,

Keep letting your voice be heard.

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inquire says... November 13, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.

Lazybar, your writing continues to support my point. I remember my honors English teacher junior year said that anything you commit to writing must be impeccable because people will not take you seriously if it isn't. When I was being trained to manage an office, I was taught to trash resumes with mistakes on them. (If that was the quality of their work when they were trying to impress, they couldn't be trusted to send our work that wouldn't embarrass the doctor.)
We have made preparations. Are you too dense to understand that incurable disease can strike before full retirement age? My husband had the foresight to stick with an employer who had a pension plan and a 401k match. We own our home and cars free and clear, have no debt, and have been able to pay for what we need. I believe for the income we had we did pretty well. Many have done worse.
What arrogant people like yourself can't get through your wingnut heads is that no matter how perfect you think you are, life can throw you a whale sized curve that wasn't in your plan. Just like the tea party bitch who let her name be used on the petition to overthrow the Affordable Care Act, because she said she shouldn't have to buy insurance. She became very ill, lost her precious business, went bankrupt, etc., etc. NOW she knows she wasn't perfect or infallible.

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lazybar says... November 13, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.

pop if you thought my few comments were horrible you sure would have crapped you pants if you knew what i really thought about her.you throw christ at me,well i don`t think god intended on us to be a bunch of freeloaders.
inquire you jump on your soapbox forme calling you out for being what you are and saying bad things but then you call someone a bitch because she didn`t again with your liberal ideas of stealing from those that have things.

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Packman says... November 13, 2012 at 12:53 p.m.

Hey Populist - "Women are not going to vote for some guy just because he is good looking..." Yes they will, and in significant numbers. That's how Bill Clinton was elected first time around. I cannot tell you how many women I heard say the voted for Clinton because of his good looks. "hispanics are not going to vote for somebody just because they have a latin name." Yes, they will and again in good numbers. Look how close the election was this year and how easily it could have shifted with just a change of a few core voters. My advice about blacks might be bucking conventional wisdom, but it is nevertheless true. Blacks have marginaized themselves to the point they are taken for granted by demorats and to be ignored by Republicans. Republicans can win without the black vote (see GW Bush).

Hey Mista - Are you going to tell me what I ripped off from Limbaugh or not?

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inquire says... November 13, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.

Lazybar, you show your ignorance about working people more with each post. "Starve?" Really? What a joke. I was taught well by my mother to plan ahead for any hard times that might come. You know, that thing you think we don't do!
For decades, I have paid careful attention to prices, sales, and coupons. I rarely pay regular price for anything. I stock up on each thing in turn as it is at its' cheapest. I never run out of anything. My pantry is actually a very small room near the kitchen and utility, lined with shelves, floor to ceiling, and full of food and household supplies. My freezer is always full and my fridge well stocked. Anytime unusually hard times come, I can literally stop buying anything for months, with the exception of having to buy bread and milk after a while. I have resorted to this a couple of times and was so thankful that we had prepared ahead of time.
I know wealthy people who don't plan as well as I do. They're more easy come, easy go, thinking there will always be more. These are the people who are shocked when adversity strikes, not the working people.

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inquire says... November 13, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.

Packman, if you've heard a lot of women say they voted for Clinton because of his looks, you keep company with a very unintelligent class of women. None of the women we know vote for anyone, men or women, based on looks.

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inquire says... November 13, 2012 at 1:27 p.m.

Lazybar, you refuse to be rational. The Affordable Care Act is not for the purpose of letting people "steal from people who have things." It allows everyone to BUY insurance. Everyone BUYING insurance should bring the cost down. How can you be unaware that when an insured loses their insurance, they are denied the chance to BUY insurance again because of pre existing conditions? Even minor, controlled ones. How can you be unaware that insurance companies have been cancelling the policies of people who become "too ill" when the company chooses to not continue to provide the care that their customers have PURCHASED? BTW, Lazybar, one of my friends was married to a factory owner, a lifelong member of that business class some of you worship. He had a heart operation and as soon as his insurance company paid the bills, they cancelled his policy. He was uninsured for two years until he was eligible for medicare. It would be to your advantage to realize that being a well off business owner doesn't mean that you are impervious to the twists of fate.
If a person cannot find affordable insurance, the government will help pay for it. But this will lead to a healthier population for LESS cost in the long run. Right now, we spend more for healthcare, while getting less results for the money, than any other industrialized nation.
I have no idea if the ACA will help me in any way except to make it possible for me to BUY insurance again.

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lazybar says... November 13, 2012 at 1:42 p.m.

obamacare is another tax.did you not ever think that obamacare might say your husband is no longer worth saving?if its goning to bring rates down to where they are more affordable why are rates going up?as far as pre existing conditions you really think insurance companies are going to bet on a losing horse?most of those that can afford healthcare have it,don`t tax them fix the economy where people have the money to freely buy insurance.

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Populist says... November 13, 2012 at 2:09 p.m.

Packman,

Inquire beat me to it when she questioned the type of women with whom you associate. If you meet them at church, you need to think about switching churches. If you meet your women at a local bar, you might want to upgrade to a swankier place.

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djigoo says... November 13, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.

The resident idjit Teabaggers continue their meltdown.

Lovely. Just lovely.

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ELKHUNTER says... November 13, 2012 at 5 p.m.

Lazybar, wouldn't it be awesome if health insurance companies had to use the money they are collecting from us for actual healthcare? What if there was an act of some sort that dictated that health insurance companies cannot funnel our UNUSED premiums to raise their CEO's salary? Or for advertisement or public relations? What if they gave policyholders a REFUND if, say, 80% of the money wasn't used for healthcare? That would be an awesome act. What if our 'medical' insurance company covered all 'medical' conditions, even pre existing ones? Simply awesome. What if it would be ILLEGAL for them to CANCEL your policy YOU PURCHASED to protect you from sickness or injury,(currently very common), once you were sick or injured? That would be a model for the entire world. Why haven't both parties come up with an identical healthcare plan that includes this? Lazybar...??? You wouldn't understand, having never read a single page of The Affordable Healthcare Act that was originally a Republican idea. Republicans don't want compromise. You want to obstruct. You do not want America to succeed, you hope it fails under Obama. Speaks volumes about why your unamerican party is in the shape its in.

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inquire says... November 13, 2012 at 5:17 p.m.

Lazybar, if anyone's insurance is going up, it is due to the insurance companies trying to get one last stab in the backs of the people before they are brought to heel. The same way that my most expensive medication went generic this fall, but the original maker upped the price by another $50 each of the last three quarters just because they could get away with it. Just a play to stick it to people a few more times before they lost their patent.
I don't appreciate being compared to a losing horse. For years, I've normally seen my doctor once a year for a check up and prescription update, and my dentist twice a year. I have not been hospitalized since I was a child! As an uninsured, I cut the dentist back to once a year. It is safe for me because my hygiene is excellent. My cholesterol, blood sugar and all other aspects of my annual blood work up are excellent. My blood pressure is now perfect on medication. I'll bet most of the tea baggers on here troop in and out of the doctor's office more often than I do.
With Parkinson's, my husband might be a losing horse in the long run. Nobody knows. His father had it for roughly thirty years before dying. I suppose the tea baggers think anyone who has a disease through no fault of their own should just be left to fend for themselves permanently. Better be careful. Any one of you may have something lurking inside of you, currently undetected. If something should present, it will give you reason to reevaluate all your hateful attitudes and ignorant, uninformed opinions about others.
Your head is so hard that nothing can get through. Some people cannot currently buy insurance because insurance companies will not sell it to them. What part of that do you not understand? I think it is likely a case of do not care, rather than understand, because you have yours, think you are invincible, and everybody else be dammed.
Djigoo, you are correct. That's why most days, I no longer have the inclination to interact with tea party crazies. They are living in their own alternate reality and are hopeless, to say nothing of rude, crude, and filled with hate. One of the men on here, whom I will not name, actually writes in a style and cadence that always strikes me as a really bitchy old woman. I have to keep reminding myself it is a man, because the writing "reads" as a bitchy old crone.

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Populist says... November 13, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.

Inquire,

You are but a mere babe--just a few years older than my youthful self. There are people more than twenty years my senior who are in better physical shape than many 16 year olds. I recently was doing geneological research and found that a long lost cousin of my husband's was living in our area. The man was 91. I called and left a message thinking that it would be answered by a caretaker. The man is still employed full-time and in excellent health and was as sharp as a tack. I don't let age bother me. As I age, I am just going to get feistier. If people think that I was hell on wheels when I was in my twenties, they need to watch out for when I hit my sixties.

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djigoo says... November 13, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.

"Djigoo, you are correct. That's why most days, I no longer have the inclination to interact with tea party crazies. They are living in their own alternate reality and are hopeless, to say nothing of rude, crude, and filled with hate."

Thank you. What REALLY makes me sad is that I WANT a healthy, sane opposition party. I WAS a Republican for many years, and I left when it became clear that the party had been taken over by zealots and conspiracy theorists.

This country will be much better served when the GOP jettisons the KKKrazies and re-embraces rational thought and behavior.

Until that happens, I'm gonna be pointin' and laughin' a WHOLE lot!

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djigoo says... November 13, 2012 at 6:31 p.m.

"If people think that I was hell on wheels when I was in my twenties, they need to watch out for when I hit my sixties."

I'm in MUCH better shape in my fifties than I EVER was in my twenties! Tobacco-free for 21+ years, 44" chest, 32" waist, 5'11" and 175 lbs. I can't freakin' WAIT until my SIXTIES!

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djigoo says... November 13, 2012 at 6:52 p.m.

"With Parkinson's, my husband might be a losing horse in the long run. Nobody knows. His father had it for roughly thirty years before dying."

Parkinson's killed my father in 2010.

Rush Limbaugh made fun of Parkinson's Disease by implying that Michael J. Fox was "faking" his Parkinson's symptoms when appearing before Congress.

I can't imagine what sort of empty souls would embrace the fetid miasma that is Rush Limbaugh.

Oh, wait. Yes I can. Some of them post here. Some people take delight in denigrating others, assuming things about others with no rational basis in fact, and then go to church on Sunday and think they're okay with the Lord. Some people are so quick to judge the mote in a neighbor's eye that the beam in their own goes unseen. Some people are the reason the GOP will continue to circle the drain.

Some people are lazybar, T6 and Packman.

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Populist says... November 13, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.

djigoo,

Great posts.

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Packman says... November 13, 2012 at 8:30 p.m.

Hey Populist - You do realize, don't you, that your new best friend djigoo unapologetically and all to frequently uses the hateful slur "retard" to disparage his/her enemies? But wait, he/she would NEVER denigrate anybody....... Such a compassionate lot, you liberals. And I say you are lying if you lived in Arkansas and NEVER heard a female say she voted for Bill because of his physical appearance. Not all women, but those most likely to vote with their female reproductive organs. As to inquire, it is no surprise she acknowledges nothing. She's infected with a type of willful ignorance that may have no cure.

Hey djigoo - Speaking of going down the drain, is it true you're a tranny? Does that 44" before or after cup size measurements?

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inquire says... November 13, 2012 at 9:10 p.m.

It would probably make more sense if we just didn't respond to these guys at all. Let them talk only to each other until they get bored with themselves. Since they never allow new information into their heads, boredom should come quickly.

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inquire says... November 13, 2012 at 9:16 p.m.

Populist, dijigoo, Cliff, and like souls.....A friend emailed me a link to republicansforobama(dot)org. I think you all would enjoy it. Lots of good posts by people who, like yourselves, abandoned the Republican party when it turned crazy.

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djigoo says... November 13, 2012 at 9:49 p.m.

"Hey djigoo - Speaking of going down the drain, is it true you're a tranny? Does that 44" before or after cup size measurements?"

And that'd be the best Packman could muster, ladies and gentlemen. Let his own words stand as a bulwark of rhetorical integrity as long as language itself survives! Well done, Sirrah. Well done.

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djigoo says... November 13, 2012 at 9:53 p.m.

"Does that 44" before or after cup size measurements?"

My favorite undiagrammable sentence of the day!

(And I drift off tonight knowing that Packman has no idea what this post is all about...Ahhh....Take Sominex tonight, and sleeeeep...)

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Populist says... November 14, 2012 at 7:12 a.m.

Inquire,

The responsible, mature response to Packman would be to ignore him, but I am in a childish mood this a.m.

Packman,

The only one who posts here who has been talking about the looks of a certain candidate is you. You're the one who thought Romney is so handsome that I must have been jilted by him to be against him. Maybe YOU voted for Romney because you find him attractive.

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T6 says... November 14, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.

Populist... What???? Romney and Paul Ryan were good looking men. Don't you ever comment to your husband how attractive some women are? Does that make you a wanna be lesbian? I recall women saying Barack Obama was a good looking black man.

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T6 says... November 14, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.

Man oh man, Obama's Generals are falling like dominoes over BenghaziGate!!!!!!!! I wonder why Obama accepted Petraeus' resignation but still backs Gen. Allen.
Allen must have been a yes man and fell in line. Gen. Kip Ward got demoted a Star on his uniform supposedly because of some travel expenses. Too bad our government isn't held to that kind of standard.
If this administration continues long enough the mindless drones in the media will simply forget about BenghaziGate. At least they're hoping!!!!!!!!!
Obama LIED
Hillary LIED
Panetta LIED
Rice LIED
4 AMERICANS DIED!!!!!!!!!!!

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djigoo says... November 14, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.

Get a grip, T6. Everyone is laughing at you.

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T6 says... November 14, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.

Djigoo.... Only by idiots on the left who think women's vaginas are important when voting for a FAILED president.

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Populist says... November 14, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.

T6 and Packman,

Please stop using the V word, or people will think that you are low class.

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T6 says... November 14, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.

Packman.... Populist has a problem with V word from us but not the P word from her left wing comrade Djigoo.
djigoo says... November 10, 2012 at 10:39 p.m.
Something tells me that if Packman votes with his penis, his candidate will come up a little bit short.

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djigoo says... November 14, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.

See? Still funny.

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inquire says... November 14, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.

I'm surprised the self styled Benghazi experts on here have time to participate on these threads. Surely you could sell your "expertise" to the state department. Since you are so certain what happened, surely the CIA is knocking on your door with your employment papers right now.

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GAITOR says... November 14, 2012 at 4:25 p.m.

Benghazi could be the end of several political careers. There are waay more questions about Benghazi right now than answers that have been offered by the BHO administration. Let's just see where the investigation goes.
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Inquire: Your smugness may come back to haunt you, unless you know more than anyone else about the real facts.....and I seriously doubt you do.

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lazybar says... November 14, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.

now all 50 states have a filed to secede.election day only proved 2 percent of americans favored obama over romney.2 weeks later americans are saying will still don`t like king putt!

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inquire says... November 14, 2012 at 5:04 p.m.

Gaitor, I believe it was on Nov. 6 that we found out who had been unduly smug.
These secessionist petitions are just the plaything of whiny RWNJ's. NO STATE has filed a petition. Only unauthorized persons from the states have taken it upon themselves to do so. No state has done the legal work necessary to get the permission of a majority of their people.

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Populist says... November 14, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.

Using the P word and the V word is only allowed if the comment is funny. Djigoo is funny. T6, Packman, and lazy bar usually are not.

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T6 says... November 14, 2012 at 5:26 p.m.

I see... The ole " IF MY side is doing it is it OK" argument!!!!!

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T6 says... November 14, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.

Gaitor..... Oh Inquire's ignorance mostly likely will come back to bite her because Obama's wants to cut 340 Billion from Medicaid and Medicare. Yep Inquire better go back to drinking your Koolaid you're going to need it. It's about to get interesting!!!!!!

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inquire says... November 14, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.

Get your facts straight, T6, starting with the fact that I am not and never have been on medicaid, and don't expect to ever qualify.
All you RWNJ's are pathetic. You just can't accept the will of the majority. You start in the day after an election trying to stir your cauldron to get scandal where there is none, since your party's only goal, preventing a second term for the president, failed big time. Your party wasted four years, insulted everyone except angry, hateful, old white men, and in the process made yourselves totally irrelevant. You lost every other demographic. You are acting far worse than Democrats after the 2000 election was literally stolen in a Republican coup.
We can tell you get all your ideas from the RWNJ sites, rather than the news, because you use whatever terminology and hook phrases are currently on those sites.
If you didn't have an incident in Benghazi to yap about and stir in your cauldron, you'd find something else, because your real and only goal is to refuse to accept the president. You lost, your kind lost, quit obstructing and do some studying and find out why you lost.

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T6 says... November 14, 2012 at 9:53 p.m.

Inquire......Puhleezee!!!!! When there were districts with NOT ONE single vote for Romney I doubt the election was fair. Wasn't it Josef Stalin that said: “It’s not the people who vote that count, it’s the people who count the votes.”
Also, Where did I say You were on Medicaid?

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BillSmith says... November 15, 2012 at 12:01 a.m.

T6.........
In 1982, terrorist attacked military barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, killing 299 people, including 240 Marines. Ronald Reagan chose to cut and run. A few days later, perhaps to cover up his cowardly retreat, he chose to show how brave the United States was by bravely defeating Granada (population 100,000 at the time) in a war. Why did Ronald Reagan, hero of conservatives, cut and run?

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BillSmith says... November 15, 2012 at 12:04 a.m.

Gaitor this is for you....................
LP Monday Message: Cut and run like Reagan
posted by Staff on Feb 28, 2011
February 28, 2011
Dear Friend of Liberty,

In the Middle East, it's time to cut and run like Ronald Reagan did in 1984.

In 1982, President Reagan ordered American Marines into Lebanon as part of a "multinational peacekeeping force." In 1983, there were several bombings targeting Americans in Lebanon, including the well-known Marine barracks bombing that killed 241 U.S. Marines.

At first, Reagan insisted that the U.S. would keep military forces in Lebanon. But in February 1984, he changed course and ordered a complete troop withdrawal.

The following is from Reagan's autobiography:

Perhaps we didn't appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and the complexity of the problems that made the Middle East such a jungle. Perhaps the idea of a suicide car bomber committing mass murder to gain instant entry to Paradise was so foreign to our own values and consciousness that it did not create in us the concern for the marines' safety that it should have.

In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believed the last thing that we should do was turn tail and leave. Yet the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there. If there would be some rethinking of policy before our men die, we would be a lot better off. If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position and neutrality, those 241 marines would be alive today.

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BillSmith says... November 15, 2012 at 12:05 a.m.

T6, Gaitor.....Where was the independent counsel hearings on Ronny RayGun's diabacle?

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T6 says... November 15, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.

BillSmith... You can never besmirch Ronald Reagan. WE need another Reagan in the White House instead of the Marxist.
If Ronald Reagan had been Pres. on 9-11-12 HE would have never sat there WATCHING 4 brave Americans DIE.

OBAMA LIED PEOPLE DIED

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GAITOR says... November 15, 2012 at 9:30 a.m.

It's really sad that BS and Inquire are putting words in my mouth. As I said in my earlier post, we should all wait and see what the facts are as determined by the ongoing investgations into the Benghazi attacks and the time before, during and after 9/11/2012. Politcal careers are at stake and therefore, the truth will not be easy to get to. All Americans should be calling for a select committee of Senators and Reps, which will do nothing but expedite the process and get us to the truth faster, whatever it is.
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My poinion, for what it is worth, is that things are not looking very good for BHO, Clinton, Patreus, Rice and Holder.
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With all of the history you cite, BS, the BHO administration has the benefit of history upon which to lean and learn from. Tt is very sad that, assuming the BHO administration has any smarts at all (and IMHO the jury is still out on that one), that they can not review history and learn from the mistakes made by past administratiions, from Nixon, Carter, Regan, Clinton to Bushes', in order to avoid those vritually identical pitfalls. However, it appears that they have gotten all wrapped up in a power trip, as recent history has shown alot of administration do and have.
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Again, eventually the truth will prevail and axes may fall. Let the axes fall where they may, but the American people deserve to know the truth about what was done or not done in their name.

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inquire says... November 15, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.

T6, if Reagan were running today, your tea bagger crazed party wouldn't elect him.
If the defeated Republicans didn't have Benghazi to hyperventilate about, they would find something. They no longer know how to accept the will of the people and move forward after an election. If they don't get their way, they come out swinging, prepared to spend the next four years fighting and caterwauling. It's all they know anymore. The best members of their party have either died, or left the party because of their current state of craziness.

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djigoo says... November 15, 2012 at 10:45 a.m.

Well put as always, inquire.

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TomN says... November 15, 2012 at 11:21 a.m.

A house divided against itself CANNOT stand.

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Packman says... November 15, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.

Hey djigoo - What, can't being yourself to use your favorite slur "retard" in any of your caustic replies? Wasn't that long ago you proudly and without shame used the term. What's holding you back? Just curious but as a tranny, when using a public restroom do you use the girls or boys?

Hey Populist - So, you think its funny whey djigoo calls people "retards"? Also, ever heard of a Broadway play called "The Vagina Chronicles"? Lots to insinuations about women thinking with their vaginas and has many, many funny LOL lines. It's all about similies and metaphors, much like my comments about the women who vote with "it". As a self-proclaimed educated person, I'm surprised you didn't get the joke. And I'm right, aren't I. You do know women who voted for Clinton and probably Obama solely based on their uncommon good looks. The truth will set you free.

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djigoo says... November 15, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.

What are you going on about, Packman? You have used that term far more than I ever have.

And what's with the sudden fascination with transvestites and handsome men?

You are a sad, stupid man, Pack. I pity those who must actually deal with such a pitiful, angry cowpie on a daily basis. There must be a special place in heaven for that mail-order bride of yours.

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outinthesticks says... November 15, 2012 at 4:28 p.m.

The victors in their arrogance think they have the right to do it THEIR way.
The losers in their bitterness say they will never surrender an inch.

Meanwhile, Rome burns while Nero plays on.....a very good point, TomN.

We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

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Populist says... November 15, 2012 at 4:30 p.m.

Packman,

I hope not, but there are not very many extremely homely politicians.

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T6 says... November 16, 2012 at 8:53 a.m.

Hey Populist... You'll get a kick out of this..... Everything a Progressive touches turns to crapola.
iowntheworld. com/blog/?p=157360

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djigoo says... November 16, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.

Iowntheworld looks like The Onion, only not as funny.

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BillSmith says... November 16, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.

Seven U.S. Embassies And Consulates Were Attacked Under George W. Bush
2002: U.S. Consulate In Karachi, Pakistan, Attacked; 10 Killed, 51 Injured. From a June 15, 2002, Chicago Tribune
2004: U.S. Embassy Bombed In Uzbekistan. From a July 31, 2004, Los Angeles Times
2004: Gunmen Stormed U.S. Consulate In Saudi Arabia. From a December 6, 2004, New York Times
2006: Armed Men Attacked U.S. Embassy In Syria. From a September 13, 2006, Washington Post
2007: Grenade Launched Into U.S. Embassy In Athens. From The New York Times:
2008: Rioters Set Fire To U.S. Embassy In Serbia. From The New York Times:
2008: Ten People Killed In Bombings At U.S. Embassy In Yemen. From The New York Times

This action has happened under past presidents and will continue to happen under future Presidents. You would have to maintain a private security force aka Blackwater to follow our ambassadors around where ever they go in the middle east, from what I understand Ambassador Steven's did not want Blackwater types following him around in Libya.

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lazybar says... November 16, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.

just to prove how dumb gwb was instead of being in vegas campaigning he was in his office doing his job the next day,wow what a loser.why work when there is 18 holes just a calling your name.

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Packman says... November 16, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.

Hey djigoo - Speaking of fascinations, you're the one who spoke of my P E N I S. I assumed it was not due to a fascination but possibly because you've had yours removed and wish it back in place. And if it makes you feel better about yourself to call me or anyone else "sad" and "stupid", that says a lot more about you than it does anyone else. Gooing back to the matter at hand, can you logically and rationally refute my point that BH Obama's core constituency is made up of blacks, Hispanics, welfare addicts, and women who vote with their vaginas?

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inquire says... November 16, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.

The Republicans have made a ridiculously concentrated effort to blow Obama's golfing out of proportion, despite the fact that 15 of the last 18 presidents played. Romney Victory, Inc. spawned FortyFore(dot)com, to track the number of rounds he played and raise $18 per member. At the Republican convention, at least five speakers made quips about the president's golfing.
Obama is far, far from being the president who played the most golf, according to espn(dot)go(dot)com. Woodrow Wilson played every morning, on doctor's orders to control stress.
The Republicans have recently made a to do over Obama playing his 100th round while in office.( Some of his aids speculate that he likes it because it is his only chance to walk around in the outdoors.) Eisenhower played almost 800 ROUNDS in his two terms. That is FOUR TIMES as much per term as Obama.
This orchestrated emphasis on the golfing tells me that the Republicans have nothing. It was obvious on November 6 that the majority of people understand this.
How many days did Bush clear brush on the ranch? How many days did Reagan either do ranch work or ride his horse? There has never been a president who didn't have some pass time to relieve the stress of the job. Republicans are grabbing at straws to make something out of it, because otherwise, they have nothing.

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inquire says... November 16, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.

Bill Smith, thanks for the research. See, T6, when Bush was president, to quote your style of writing, "PEOPLE DIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", at the embassies then, too. This is an unfortunate thing that has always happened from time to time and always will.

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djigoo says... November 16, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.

How would women "vote with their vaginas?" Would they have to train their labias to be prehensile? Can a uterus contract with enough force to create a gust of wind strong enough to pull the lever on the voting booth curtain? You're not expecting women to actually insert marking pens into their vaginas, are you? Cuz I think women resoundingly reminded us a couple Tuesdays ago that they're not too fond of men telling them what they can and can't do down there.

Clarification is in order, don'tcha think?

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lazybar says... November 16, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.

inquire the differance is that while others played golf they still got thier jobs done.in the last couple weeks we have lost several key members of the military,several businesses have closed,stocks are down,and the sandy victims are not getting help fast enough.if this is progress i`d hate to see it if we were not making progress.you blamed bush for his fema but obozo`s fema is letting people freeze and thats ok with you because he is the great one.

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inquire says... November 16, 2012 at 3:58 p.m.

If Bush did his job so well while clearing brush all the time, why did he lead us into Iraq with lies? Why were we losing 800,000 jobs a month when he left office? Give up, people. You lost, the majority of the American people saw through the lies. They outwitted the voter suppression. Obama is the president of the US for the next four years. Reread that sentence if you don't understand it yet. Either get on board or get out of the way, and tell your sour faced McConnell, arrogant Cantor, et al, that's what they need to do if we are to keep going forward instead of going backwards.
All you RWNJ's are trying to take the joy out of this victory with your desperate attempts to create scandal. You can't.

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lazybar says... November 16, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.

inquire don`t jump for joy to high.only 50% of americans said they preferred obozo over romney`s 48%.that does not mean they like obozo they just prefered him to the other.it was the lesser of 2 evils but the black and pro union vote carried obozo to a win.no victory just a win.news flash did you not see where hostess in closing?we are still losing jobs faster than we are growing.inflation rate is flying and now we have all the new taxes that are going to come.who pays and who benefits from these taxes?get it through your thick head,you will not get any of the wealthy`s money.you will get what they choose to give.more and more will need assistance and the middle class will foot the bill.

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inquire says... November 16, 2012 at 4:39 p.m.

My head is not thick, as evidenced by the fact that I can spell and use punctuation. I can also read the news and have already commented on it.

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lazybar says... November 16, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.

inquire to bad you have no math skills to go with your great spelling skills.and your still not getting any of the wealthy`s money they don`t want you to have.romney didn`t have to pay the 14% it was his choice to pay it.

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inquire says... November 16, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.

Lazybar, in my high school, we had to learn spacing, capitalization, and punctuation by the MLA Style Sheet. What did your school use?

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Packman says... November 16, 2012 at 6:20 p.m.

Hey inquire - When living in a glass house, only idiots throw stones.... "Lazybar, in my high school, we had to learn spacing, capitalization, and punctuation by the MLA Style Sheet. What did your school use?" The MLA Style Sheet would frown on using a comma after " high school". The MLA also requires you spell a title or name prior to using it in abbreviated form. Your second sentence is incomplete as there is no subject for the "What". Looks like you broke several windows in your glass house of Grammatical Correctness.

Hey djigoo - Did you see what I said about "The Vagina Chronicles"? It is a prima facie answer to all your questions about the physiological workings of a woman's reproductive parts. And again, I ask you to logically and rationally refute my contention that BH Obama's core constituency is blacks, Hispanics, welfare addicts, and women who vote with their vaginas. You do yourself a disservice by continuing to simulate a chickenspit heckler sitting in the safe confines of the cheap seats.

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inquire says... November 16, 2012 at 8:49 p.m.

Funny, Packman, how you question my comma, used to help slow the sentence for clarity, yet you have no trouble reading lazybar's gibberish which has no capitalization, spacing, or punctuation. You will pick on any Democrat for anything in order to avoid accepting the fact that the American people rejected your party. They aren't buying. Get over it. Until you change your ways, you are the party of the past. Lincoln, Eisenhower, and Reagan - your icons- wouldn't recognize today's Republican party. Despite losing the election, your whole focus on all threads seems to be based on still campaigning against Democrats. Republicans did that for the last four years. How did it work out so far?

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XAV8OR says... November 16, 2012 at 9:20 p.m.

There have been many killed around the world under other presidents. The big difference is, they didn't lie about it and try to cover it up.

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inquire says... November 16, 2012 at 9:52 p.m.

He used the information received from the intelligence community. Not all information was available at the beginning. Republican Condoleezza RIce says that is normal in such a situation. Why was there none of this tin foil hat conspiracy crap when Bush started a war based on faulty intelligence? Oh, I forgot; there are two sets of rules, and the Republicans choose which one to apply at any given time.

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T6 says... November 16, 2012 at 10:32 p.m.

Inquire... Bush had faulty info too but you libs didn't and still don't cut him any slack.
Condi changed her tune when she found out to the extent Obama, Rice, Hillary had been lying and covering up. She criticized the lack security at the consulate. Because you Libs are so dense.. BUSH or no other President had REAL TIME TECHNOLOGY. Obama watched and did nothing while Americans were killed.

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BillSmith says... November 17, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.

T6............... This is what Bush left us with.
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Liberated Iraq calls on Arab states to use oil as 'weapon' against U.S.

Published November 16, 2012
FoxNews com
A top Iraqi diplomat urged Arab states to “use the weapon of oil” against the United States because of its alliance with Israel, raising more questions about the Middle Eastern nation's allegiance to the country that freed it from a ruthless dictatorship.
The shocking statement from a democratic government in power only after the U.S. and allies ousted murderous dictator Saddam Hussein in a costly and bloody war laid bare the Middle Eastern nation’s true allegiance.
"Iraq will invite (Arab) ministers to use the weapon of oil, with the aim of asserting real pressure on the United States and whoever stands with Israel," Qais al-Azzawy told reporters in Cairo on Friday.
"Iraq will invite (Arab) ministers to use the weapon of oil, with the aim of asserting real pressure on the United States and whoever stands with Israel."
- Iraqi diplomat
"The economic weapon is the strongest one to be put into effect now, to assure of standing by the Palestinian people, in light of there being no military power that can stand in the face of Israel at the present time,” he added.
The U.S. ousted Hussein, ending his bloody, 30-year reign in 2003 in the midst of a controversial and costly war. Nearly 4,500 American service members were killed and more than 32,000 wounded in a war that has cost U.S. taxpayers at least $750 billion. That figure could top $1 trillion given future health costs incurred by veterans injured in the fighting.

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T6 says... November 17, 2012 at 4:26 p.m.

BillSmith..... If Barack Hussein Obama had ousted Saddam Hussein and brought him to justice somehow I don't think this would be an issue for you. Are you advocating the US abandon Israel?

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T6 says... November 17, 2012 at 4:33 p.m.

BTW BillSmith..... Why are you linking to Fox News? You Libs refer to it as
Faux News? They don't print the truth!!!! SO SAYS THE LIBATARDS! Remember?

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djigoo says... November 17, 2012 at 6:02 p.m.

OMG! They both have HUSSEIN in their names!!! DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!

I love watching the Teabaggers imploding these days.

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T6 says... November 17, 2012 at 7:11 p.m.

Imploding!!!!!! HA! Dream on mental midget!

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BillSmith says... November 17, 2012 at 7:22 p.m.

T6......
When the truth is printed elsewhere and is evident they print it. It is what their pundits say that is not reliable. Would you like to fact check topics that have been discused for the last month on MSNBC and Fox, and see who has the most lies?

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Packman says... November 18, 2012 at 8:32 p.m.

Hey inquire - As a typical liberal, you apply standards to others you choose not to apply to yourself. Lazybar's use of a keypad is irrelevent to your liberal ways. Regarding your verbal victory dance (and I just threw up a little in the back of my mouth imagining a Hillary Clinton look-alike doing the Twist) I am all too pleased to remind you of the popular vote. A mere 2% swing and Romney would have won it. A teeny-tiny majority voted for the demorats. The only thing that was rejected was independent thought among blacks, Hispanics, welfare addicts and women who vote with their vaginas.

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djigoo says... November 18, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.

"(W)omen who vote with their vaginas." - Packman

You never DID explain to me how this actually happens. Is it some sort of telekinesis? Does the clitoris come into play when women vote with their vaginas? I'd really like to know how this happens.

Unless "women who vote with their vaginas" is just another of Rush Limbaugh's Teabagger Catchphrase Of The Week.

I remember when one of you lunatics kept inserting the word "statist" into every maniacal screed. Was that YOU, Packman, or T6? It's awfully hard to tell the difference.

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inquire says... November 18, 2012 at 9:42 p.m.

Do you ever wonder what kind of parents Packman had that he is so crude and proud of it?

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djigoo says... November 18, 2012 at 10:12 p.m.

inquire, I prefer to believe that Packman is the result of abiogenesis.

I mean, really now...

It's our only hope.

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Wildwood says... November 19, 2012 at 7:06 a.m.

If popular vote counted instead of electoral votes, more people would vote. Many feel like "why bother? It's not going to count, anyway." And I will NEVER like obama! (He doesn't deserve a capital "O" in his name.)

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Populist says... November 19, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.

Djigoo,

I am ashamed to admit that I thought the same thing. While it may be possible with some kinds of voting equipment for man to vote with his penis, I don't think it would be an easy matter to vote with one's vagina.

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Joecal says... November 19, 2012 at 2:54 p.m.

One old whit man did get it right. Always been a democrate and will always be a democrat my grandfather called us "Yellow Dog Democrats: We would vote for a yellow dog if he was a democrat." BH got it right not everyone in america has a land line and he knew that, but the other side did not.

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Packman says... November 19, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.

Hey inquire - Your kindred spirit djigoo proudly uses the hateful slur "retard" and you call me 'crude"......You have ZERO credibility. As to my parents, they were salt of the Earth. They taught me the value of hard work, self-reliance, personal accountability, and the benefit of a servant's heart. I wish could have known them.

Hey djigoo - I'll explain how a woman can vote with her vagina as soon as you answer if you're a tranny. Regardless, can't refute my point, can you. Yep, I win again.

Hey Populist - Did you do any research on The Vagina Chronicles? Lots of vagina speech in the play, much of it LOL funny. And OMG, don't tell me like djigoo, you too are fantasizing about men's penises?????

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inquire says... November 19, 2012 at 5:19 p.m.

Packman, why , everytime anyone speaks to djigoo, do you remind us he says retard? So? That doesn't mean we do. We don't. We still agree with him on many things. Your constantly bringing up the retard thing rarely has anything to do with what we are talking about. (And while I think "retard" is a slur, I don't think the word retarded is. It is a medical term used in medical textbooks, and not using it is ridiculous.)
You are such a snob. Working class people raise their children to have the same values you claim your parents espoused. You would be shocked and ashamed if you could see the letters of reference my past employers have written for me, and all the praise they gave me over the years. Of course, it might interfere with your prejudice of working people as "less than."

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BillSmith says... November 19, 2012 at 5:44 p.m.

T6 says "Are you advocating the US abandon Israel? " T6 27% of Jews in Israel and about 17 % in the US are of the orthodox variety, just "Google" Talmud and read what they think of you and the rest of us gentiles and Jesus for that matter.

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Populist says... November 19, 2012 at 6:21 p.m.

There are good and bad people of every religion and ethnic group. Let's not stereotype people. War in the Middle East has endured because both sides have made mistakes and continue to wallow in hate.

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djigoo says... November 19, 2012 at 10:21 p.m.

"Hey djigoo - I'll explain how a woman can vote with her vagina as soon as you answer if you're a tranny. Regardless, can't refute my point, can you. Yep, I win again."

No.

You LOSE again.

Because at the end of the day, one of us is an angry, emasculated nimrod with a narrow world view and a complete misunderstanding of Christ's message of love, tolerance, and forgiveness.

And the other one of us is me.

One of us wins.

And the winner does not reside in the Land Of Opportunity.

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djigoo says... November 19, 2012 at 10:23 p.m.

Packman, I used that word once. And, as I recall, it was within an appropriate context.

You, on the other hand, have typed that odious appellation over and over and over and over again.

The obsession isn't mine, sir.

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djigoo says... November 19, 2012 at 10:39 p.m.

And to answer your asinine question, no. I am neither a transvestite nor a transgendered person. I count many of both (and other) categories among my closest of friends. I happen to be a fairly-traditionally-masculine looking middle-aged man, whose agent has (fortunately!) been getting him quite a few on-camera shoots of late. LevitiCuss knows what I'm talking about.

Did you intend for "tranny" to be some sort of insult? Because in my world, "tranny" is about as insulting as "brunette" or "olive-complexioned."

I'd MUCH rather live in my world than yours, Packman.

Sounds like all YOU'VE got is a hollow heart, a fat wife, and a nearby Sonic.

I win.

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inquire says... November 19, 2012 at 10:57 p.m.

djigoo, do you want to join Cliff and I in ignoring him? He's really not worth the angst. He's a dying breed.

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Populist says... November 20, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.

Dijgoo,

Packman doesn't have a wife.

Packman,

I hope that you do not consider yourself to be a Christian. Your comments are very unchristlike. You are very angry about something. You need to deal with it or you will never be happy.

Some of the best people in the world are gay. My gay friends have enriched my life considerably. I am very proud that Maryland voters just approved gay marriage. Gays have as much right to be happy as anybody else.

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Packman says... November 20, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.

Hey djigoo - Please don't take inquire's advice and tuck tail and run even if it is well within your nature. It's people like you that help illustrate the liberal mindset. As to your use of the word "retard", why have you not apologized if you know it to be wrong? A simple apology and you would have been forgiven. No, I do not view the word "tranny" as an insult. It's just easier to type than "transgender". You just seem so mixed up it was a logical question. Are you gay?

Hey Populist - Either show where I've EVER said anything bad about gay people or apologize immediately. FYI - I have never spoken ill of the alphabet crowd (LGBT's). And you've seen enough of my posts to know I rise or stoop to the level of comment deemed necessary to the debate. Many comments you made about Mitt Romney were as unchrist-like as anything I've ever read. Do you call yourself a Christian? Again, prove where I have EVER said anything negative about LGBT's or apologize. I'm waiting...........

And before I forget, djigoo, a speaking vagina is a type of metaphor. As with the hit Broadway play, The Vagina Chronicles.

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Populist says... November 20, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.

Packman,

I said negative things about Romney, but they were not made for the purpose of being mean to him. I sincerely believe that he did not meet the character test for president. While Romney appears to be a good father and husband, I don't believe that he loved the American people.

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T6 says... November 20, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.

Populist says........Packman,
I said negative things about Romney, but they were not made for the purpose of being mean to him. I sincerely believe that he did not meet the character test for president.
Negative things? How about bearing false witness! That would be unchrist!
Populist..... I bet you can lie with a straight face too.

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djigoo says... November 20, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.

"As with the hit Broadway play, The Vagina Chronicles."

Okay...who'll be the first to tell me why I just spit good Canadian Whisky through my nose upon reading this?

Come on, LevitiCuss...this one's EASY!

Cheese and rice, Packman...you're HILARIOUS!

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djigoo says... November 20, 2012 at 6:32 p.m.

"It's people like you that help illustrate the liberal mindset."

If I do say so myself (and I do), I believe you just paid every last liberal in this beautiful land a SUPREME compliment!

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djigoo says... November 20, 2012 at 6:35 p.m.

" FYI - I have never spoken ill of the alphabet crowd (LGBT's)."

The most utterly ironic post in the history of the series of tubes known as the Interwebs.

While Packman figures out not only what "ironic" means, but also how it applies to his post, I'll be over here in the corner...translating "War And Peace" into Sanskrit.

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djigoo says... November 20, 2012 at 6:38 p.m.

"Are you gay?"

Seriously?

AM I GAY?

Are YOU a poorly-educated Christofascist b@$tard child of first cousins who hides behind the relative anonymity of an internet forum to spew his racist, bigoted, intolerant bile?

Of COURSE I'm gay!

Wasn't it obvious from the vocabulary, grammar and spelling?

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ELKHUNTER says... November 20, 2012 at 7:34 p.m.

packman is a retard! Romney is a retard! Retards!

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inquire says... November 21, 2012 at 12:21 a.m.

djigoo, are you ROTFL because it was an OFF Broadway play titled "The Vagina Monologues"?

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djigoo says... November 21, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.

Ding ding ding! We have a winner!

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Packman says... November 21, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.

Hey inquire and djigoo - I stand corrected on the Vagina Monologues. And thanks for allowing me to point out yet another major difference between conservatives and liberals. When conservatives make mistakes, we fess up. When liberals make mistakes, they blame everyone else. Spiking the football at someone else's expense is the lowest character trait humans exbibit so congratulations inquire and djigoo, you have sunk to new lows. Now, about the play, can a vagina do a monologue (women speaking with their vaginas)? Point, set, match. Again, I win.

And ElkHunter - Thanks for jumping on the "retard" bandwagon. Go ahead and use the "n" word to show your true enlightenment. You liberals continue to be such a compassionate crowd.

Hey djigoo - So, you really are gay...... And your right, the political correctness should have given it away forthwith. Aside from ad hominem attacks, you have nothing to show where I EVER said anything negative about LGBT's. Again, point, set, match, I win.

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djigoo says... November 21, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.

"Now, about the play, can a vagina do a monologue (women speaking with their vaginas)? Point, set, match. Again, I win."

Uh...no, you don't.

You know what? You just topped yourself. "Can a vagina do a monologue?"

Seriously...do you write this stuff ahead of time, or are you this stupid on the spur of the moment?

I'll give you a while to figure out why THIS post is even funnier than that OTHER priceless gem!

Seriously...I may delete TheOnion.c0m from my bookmarks. Packman is MUCH funnier than anything they've posted.

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djigoo says... November 21, 2012 at 11:51 a.m.

"FYI - I have never spoken ill of the alphabet crowd (LGBT's)."

Priceless.

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Packman says... November 21, 2012 at 3:47 p.m.

Hey djigoo - Yep. Ad hominem attacks are all you got. Verbally whipping your arse is like taking candy from Barney Frank. Still, you refuse to apologize for using the word "retard". Your silence speaks volumes about your personal character. And your lack of any evidence WHATSOEVER that I have ever said anything derogatory about GBLT's gives me point, set, match.

Hey inquire - My personal assistant just brought me a homemade pecan pie. Does that mean she hates my guts?????

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Populist says... November 21, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.

Packman,

Whatever you do, make sure that you eat that pie before you see the movie "the Help"

Everybody,

Have a happy thanksgiving and help out the cooks and give them due appreciation.

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BillSmith says... November 21, 2012 at 5:11 p.m.

Populist.... I was not sterotyping people, the figures I stated are correct, I was not saying that all Jewish people believed in the writings in the Talmud, just the group I mentioned and in the percentage.

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djigoo says... November 21, 2012 at 6:19 p.m.

Packman, it's not an "ad hominem attack" to point out that you seem to know nothing at all about The Vagina Monologues. You seemed to revel in "besting" me somehow, when all you managed to do with each successive response is reinforce that you really don't have a clue about the show or its content.

Is that an attack? I don't think so. I just think it's pointing out the facts of the situation.

Why do people like you always get uncomfortable when the truth is presented to you? You people prefer to live in your little FOX-bubble, and even when your "arse" (Puh-leeze!) is handed to your side time and time again, reality still seems like Kryptonite.

And you really don't recognize the dismissive tone in your "alphabet crowd" comment? Are you truly that dense? Because that just makes me sad that I have to share a species with you.

Extra points for "forthwith" in that earlier post, however. You must be catching up on your "Word-Of-The-Day" calendar you received for your 16th birthday. Let's see..."forthwith"...Must be, what...January 7th? (I'm assuming "ad hominem" was January 1st's W-O-T-D. Keep trying; someday you'll actually use it CORRECTLY!)

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djigoo says... November 21, 2012 at 6:20 p.m.

Populist, Packman thinks that the Beatles are in "The Help." Don't tell him otherwise!

Enjoy that pie, Pack buddy!

Rich and chocolaty....

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Populist says... November 24, 2012 at 8:55 a.m.

Packman,

I am sure the pie was fine. You are just fun to tease.

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djigoo says... November 25, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.

He'll never get the reference.

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Populist says... November 25, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.

Digjoo,

He probably got the reference and fired his sweet assistant. We fed his paranoia,and I feel awful.

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Packman says... November 25, 2012 at 8:17 p.m.

Hey Populist - Sorry, but the pie my sweet little assistant brought me didn't have that special ingredient in it from The Help. She's a great young lady with the sick child whose hand I held for many tense hours that night in the ER. And yes, I saw the move but didn't read the book. I took my airline pilot girlfriend to see it on a surprise date. The pie scene was LOL funny.

Hey djigoo - "Extra points for "forthwith" in that earlier post, however. You must be catching up on your "Word-Of-The-Day" calendar you received for your 16th birthday. Let's see..."forthwith"...Must be, what...January 7th?" Thanks for validating my comments. Again, you heckle from the cheap seats without any hint for substance. At least Populist does it sparaingly and is generally most clever. There is nothing dismissive about referring to GBLTS's as the alphabet crowd an it sure isn't derogatory. And like calling Jerry Sandusky a child molestor, if it's the truth it's not derogatory. Once again you fail to back up your words with anything other than sophmoric remarks made from the safety of an internet chat room. Gosh, djigoo, you can be so gay....... Now, back to the issue at hand. You have totally failed to refute in any way my contention that BH Obama's core constituency was made up of welfare addicts, blacks, Hispanics, and women who vote with their vaginas. I win, you lose. Now, think of something very childish to say in response. But whatever you do PLEASE keep responding.

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djigoo says... November 25, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.

Packman, you make me ashamed to share a species with you. You really aren't very intelligent, are you? Tell me...does that hurt? I mean, really...does it hurt to be stupid?

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djigoo says... November 25, 2012 at 11:15 p.m.

"I win, you lose."

That's the funniest post in the history of the interwebs!

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djigoo says... November 25, 2012 at 11:24 p.m.

"You have totally failed to refute in any way my contention that BH Obama's core constituency was made up of welfare addicts, blacks, Hispanics, and women who vote with their vaginas."

That's because you never made a convincing case for any of this to be true.

How can I refute that which doesn't exist?

Again...you really aren't very smart, are you?

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djigoo says... November 25, 2012 at 11:30 p.m.

"At least Populist does it sparaingly..."

Well, then.

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Packman says... November 26, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.

Hey djigoo - Your most recent posts indicate a level of incoherence that is most likely drug induced. Kicking your arse in a debate is easy enough when you appear to be somewhat lucid, but makes me feel like I'm playing a game of "I Spy" with a blind person when you are off your good meds and on the bad ones.

"Tell me...does that hurt? I mean, really...does it hurt to be stupid?" To paraphrase Forrest Gump, childish is as childish does. Just can't help yourself, can you? Bless your heart.

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djigoo says... November 26, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.

"childish is as childish does."

Very true, Packman. You are indeed childish, as evidenced by your need to "win," even though I have yet to see you prove any of your ridiculous points.

And if reposting your own words verbatim makes you question MY lucidity, perhaps you should re-evaluate your own.

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ADODIBRO says... November 28, 2012 at 7:01 a.m.

I'm glad that the President has some more time to correct the financial mess that he inherited. It's going to take most likely six to eight years to fix the problems. Best of luck, Mr. President. I'm with you all the way.

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T6 says... November 28, 2012 at 8:48 p.m.

ADODIBRO.... I hope that's sarcasm because it wouldn't matter if he was Dictator for like he DOESN'T want to fix anything. IF he did HE and his minions would QUIT SPENDING!!!!

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Osage says... November 29, 2012 at 8:23 a.m.

The time to change Mount Rushmore has come, America has been fundamentally changed. Take down Washington and Jefferson, and add Obama and Axelrod. Party like the Romans did, your model is unsustainable and the clock is ticking. And relax, just think, people like Aimless are in charge.

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Osage says... November 29, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.

djipoo, what do you do, and how old are you? Your level of stupidity is so massive, that it's hard to believe you could be over 20. Same old board of idiots and socialists.

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Osage says... November 29, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.

Also djipoo, put down the Vagina Monolougs, and read The Unite States constitution fool.

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Osage says... November 29, 2012 at 9:08 a.m.

djipoo, sorry I missed earlier post of your physical prowess, and hint at age. We stack up pretty evenly, how bout coming up to the mountain and us just having a good throw down. I am not conservative, I am anti liberal, and it always amazes me and entertains me how we can develope such differant world views. But most liberals are fun to party with, as long as politics is not brought up.

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djigoo says... November 29, 2012 at 9:30 a.m.

Osage, read your own posts and then try to tell me that I'M the moron. "Monolougs?" "Unite States?"

And while I appreciate the offer, I go to parties to have fun, not spend hours talking down to inbred cousin marriers.

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Osage says... November 29, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.

So sorry dig, just bad at typing. I don't discuss politics publicly, I'm a singer songwriter, bussiness owner, conservationist landowner who would never ever log any of the 140 acres I own. My friends include many musicians, artists, and also many successful business folks. Only losers talk politics at parties, although the recent marijane prop gets a lot of support and research at ours. My guess, is that we would get along famously. As far as your insults, where I live I am known to several thousand people for 2 things; First, being one of the nicest guys anyone knows who gives more time and respect to unfortunate folks than bankers. Second, our store gives thousands each year to local organizations and charities, and matches toy for toy with the toys for tot's org. None of the donations can be deducted from our taxes because of the nature of our business, we just do it because it's the right thing to do.

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djigoo says... November 29, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.

Got it. You're the greatest guy in the world who hides behind the relative anonymity of the Internet to insult other people.

You're just like Jesus!

You want a medal or something?

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Osage says... November 29, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.

Of course I would only say these things on the internet, we are very low key. My point dingy, is that all of your stereo types about people who oppose big government are wrong. I simply believe in self reliance, charity, and liberty. There is nothing worse than a liberal who doesn't understand liberty. Peace out brother.

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Populist says... November 29, 2012 at 12:05 p.m.

So Osage,

Do you support the gay equality marriage proposals? Do you support good quality public schools?

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Osage says... November 29, 2012 at 12:22 p.m.

I wish that gays and lesbians could have every right and benefit that hetero couples have, and not redefine the actual word. This does not look to be possible, so it is a comprimise I would make. Of course good schools are one of the most important benefits of good government, I don't believe good schools come from federal dictates. The more one looks to gov. for solutions, the more gov. looks to replace our gods and our families. Good and limited gov. is best. Of course, there are some things only gov. can do, but our current form has no accountability, is not efficient, and has become so wasteful that it is no longer serving the American people, we are serving it.

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inquire says... November 29, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.

I, also, had hoped we could have nationwide legal civil unions, to try to keep everybody happy and avoid endless strife over the issue. I don't like to see gays baited, mistreated, or discriminated against, as long as their public behavior is appropriate. (Everyone's public behavior should be appropriate.) But marriage means something very special and specific to most people, and is a religious sacrament for many. Redefining it is extremely offensive to a lot of people.
That doesn't mean I approve of having laws titled "defense of marriage." That is ludicrous, as so many heterosexual people have trashed marriage and shown little respect for it.

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Osage says... November 29, 2012 at 2:01 p.m.

Inquire, in reading your posts it becomes apparent that you are a kind hearted and well intentioned person. There is way more that would unite us than divide us, but divided we are. Good intentions and bad government are a destructive couple, and zero accountability leads to bad government. Like it or not, it's the struggle that each of us face that defines us, take away the struggle and the government defines you.

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Populist says... November 29, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.

Osage,

I don 't believe in big handouts. I just believe that it is in the public interest to have quality schools.

Inquire,

My attitude on marriage equality is "Why not?" If it makes people happy , then it is fine with me. Churches are still free to define the sacrament of marriage however they wish. Gays should be as free to commit to the contract of marriage as the rest of us.

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Osage says... November 29, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.

Hey Dingy, how did you create the jobs? Congrats on the modeling gigs, pretty impresive for an old man.

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Osage says... November 30, 2012 at 12:40 a.m.

Thats what I thought Dingy, your just a pathetic punk who can't back up your own stupidity. At the end of the day, that's all you got.

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Osage says... November 30, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.

Hey dingy, did you remove your post to me, or did someone else? What did it take me to reduce you to a quivering mass of liberal goo, 6 posts? Come on now, tell us how you 'created' these jobs.

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djigoo says... November 30, 2012 at 8:26 a.m.

Again Osage...Your Christ-like demeanor serves as a lesson to us all.

I created those jobs through hard work. You should try it some time, AssAge.

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Packman says... November 30, 2012 at 12:27 p.m.

Hey Osage - Watch this:

Hey djigoo - Do you support marriage equality (state sanctioned contracts of marriage) for bi-sexuals who desire multiple spouses? Do you support marriage equality for biological brothers and sisters? Do you support marriage equality for members of the Man/Boy Love Association? Do you support marriage equality for same-sex heterosexuals?

Responses will show the pro-gay marriage crowd aren't about true equality but a silly political agenda. And FYI - djigoo can be so gay at times.

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Populist says... November 30, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.

Packman,

You claimed earlier not to be anti-gay. Your last post shows that to be untrue. There is a big difference between a loving relationship between two adults and your other examples. It is an insult to homosexuals to compare them to your other examples.

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Packman says... November 30, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.

Hey Populist - Sorry, but I don't buy into the dogma that any opinion not in support of state-sanctioned gay marriage means someone is anti-gay. By that logic, you are anti-Morman, anti-white, anti-heterosexual, and anti-common sense in your non-support of Mitt Romney. Nothing in what I said is even remotely anti-gay. Please explain to me that "big difference" in loving relationships, yet please know I will not hesitate to show your bigotry and bias against certain groups of people. Sincere loving relationships can exist in many contexts within the human race. And why is it an insult to compare gays to bi-sexuals? Doesn't the community refer to itself as GBLT's?

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Populist says... November 30, 2012 at 4:53 p.m.

Packman,

Comparing homosexuality to pedophilia is not respectful and smacks of narrow minded bigotry. While I can respect a person's opinion that marriage should be limited to a man and a woman (while I respectfully disagree with this position), I cannot respect people who make degrading references to homosexuals. It is just not Christian to insult them and degrade them with comparisons to criminal behavior.

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Osage says... December 1, 2012 at 9:06 a.m.

What are you talking about diggypoo? Christ like? In baiting and insulting you, just how is that like Christ? I dont believe you have ever created one job by yourself. As for hard work, who needs that when you can work smart. I generally do not work much for our company other than TV and radio spots, or opening new stores. I am more free than anyone you would ever know. I do exactly what I want , whenever I want, and our income will be over 300,000 this year. BUT, all the risk is ours, we worked on less profitable business in the past, but always pulled through. Ask anyone who knows me, and they will tell you that vacationing is what I do best and most.

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djigoo says... December 1, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.

You really aren't very bright, are you?

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Packman says... December 1, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.

Hey Populist - Your lack of critical thinking skills and pre-conceived notions are drastically affecting your ablity to process information. I NEVER compared homosexuality to pedophilia. I simply illustrated the possibilities that exist when state-sanctioned marriage is based on criteria consisting merely of "loving relationships" or the whims of any variety of consenting adults. Nothing I have said is in any way degrading to gays. Your verbal accusations, however, are a form of bullying intended to shut down free speech and an honest and open exchange of ideas and opinions. I've never liked bullies and relish the chance to put one in their place at any and every opportunity. As to Christian behavior, don't you think Jesus Christ would agree that people of good conscience should oppose and defeat bullies?

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BillSmith says... December 1, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.

Packman,,,regarding bullies,,Jesue would rather you to pray that their hearts would be changed. Remember blessed is the peacemaker and that does not meen Sam Colt's .45 peacemake.

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HM2 says... December 1, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.

Who gives a @#$%

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Populist says... December 1, 2012 at 8:12 p.m.

Packman,

The man-boy love people are pedophiles. So yes, you did compare homosexuality to pedophilia and to polygamy etc. You keep on engaging in slippery slope arguments which are fallacious. While pedophilia and polygamy are against public policy, homosexuality is not. Those who persecute homosexuals simply do so because they are sadists and/or they totally misinterpret the teachings of Christ.

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Packman says... December 2, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.

Hey Populist - I did not COMPARE gays to pedophiles. I did point out problems with basing state-sanctioned marriage on things like "loving relationships" and the whims of consenting adults. Your bias will not allow you to see the difference between comparisons and illustrations. Your claims of a fallacious argument is one of the last resorts of someone losing a debate. If you cannot logically debate a point, you simply call it fallacious and go about your not so merry way. Such a loser! By using terms like "persecute" regading honest opposition to gay marriage you are again engaged in a form of verbal bullying. Am I persecuting gays if I say I oppose gay murder? Again, your bullying tactics that accuse the opposition of persecution, hate, bigotry, sadism, or whatever won't work on honest and sincere people.

Hey BillSmith - Obviously, you've never had a loved one victimized by a school yard bully. If praying to change the bullies' heart doesn't work, I"m all for a good old fashioned arse-whipping and have administered one or two in my time. One day, I hope to find out if JC agrees.

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BillSmith says... December 2, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.

Packman....... That day you will hear four words " I never knew you".

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harley1305121514 says... December 2, 2012 at 2:03 p.m.

Populist...On 11/29 @ 2:59pm you posted that you believe it is in the public interest to have quality schools. You all too often "try" to show that you know everything about everything so my question to you is: How does America go about becoming a country of "quality schools"? What makes a school a "quality school"? What, exactly, defines a non-quality school and how do you go about turning around the non-quality school into a quality school?
If you believe schools should be "quality schools", do you believe it is possible to have "all" quality schools? If not all then what percentage of non- quality schools is acceptable?

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Populist says... December 2, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.

Harley,

A quality school is one that helps each child fulfill his or her best potential. I am active in the PTA and in volunteering in a cluster of one of the best elementary, middle and high schools in the country. These schools are not perfect, but I am amazed at the great job they do with children of all different levels. Great schools start with an ambitious curriculum at the beginning levels and keep pushing the children upward as they master each skill. The teachers are dedicated, educated, and trained on the curriculum. The curriculum is developed by the best teachers and educators (or purchased from such a group) and the teachers are trained in the curriculum. There are classes taught at an appropriate level for children who are advanced in that subject and there are classes appropriate for those who are struggling. One reason that the Montgomery County, Maryland school system is so successful is that really advanced student can be placed in classes above grade level, and the student who is struggling will be placed in a basic level class with a teacher and a teacher's assistant. I estimate that 9th graders have about 5 different levels of Math class and about 4 levels of English class. In 5th grade, there are at least 3 levels of Math. In middle school, children who are having trouble reading and writing basically take two classes of English/reading to ensure that every child becomes proficient in reading. At the high school level, plenty of course offerings exist to ensure that every child is challenged and can take curriculum relevant to a potential career and to that child's particular interests and skills. Many school systems offer magnet programs to ensure that there is a curriculum relevant to each child's interests. Given the job prospects in computers and medicine, school programs in these disciplines should be strong.

The recipe for a quality school is a mix of the students, parents, teachers, administrators, and the taxpayer commitment to funding a quality education. I also would add another element--community commitment to stop drug abuse and criminal activity and to provide children with decent homes. If children are being raised in crack houses, then there is just so much that the teachers can do. If the community does not enforce truancy laws and if the social workers allow kids to stay in abuse homes, education and the community will suffer. Odds are that the kids committing robbery and selling drugs in Little Rock do not come from model homes.

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Populist says... December 2, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.

Harley,

There are some school rating organizations out there for people who are relocating and wanting to know what neighborhood to buy a house based upon school quality. One is greatschoolsdotorg. I am not sure about the reliability of the ratings, but there appears to be some correlation between the ratings and the truth.

If I were in charge of the Little Rock school district, I would hire some outsiders, acquire the Montgomery County Maryland curriculum or a similar one, give principals the power to fire bad teachers subject to a fairness review, fire the current legal counsel for the school system and hire a couple of in-house attorneys. I would ask the county and state for more money and encourage parents to do the same. With the money saved from firing the high priced lawyers, I would spend it on the poorest schools.

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T6 says... December 2, 2012 at 8:31 p.m.

I wonder how many of you older ones on here, when you were in school, unless you knew personally or went to church with one of your teachers, did you know what or if they went to church or their political views or their views on anything?

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DontDrinkDatKoolAid says... December 2, 2012 at 9:32 p.m.

" quivering mass of liberal goo"

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T6 says... December 2, 2012 at 11:30 p.m.

My point was teachers taught instead of being political activist.

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BillSmith says... December 3, 2012 at 12:26 a.m.

harley......to answer your questions about making a bad school into a good school.
Rent the movies "The Ron Clark Story" & "Freedom Writers" and you will see how it is done.
Both movies are based on actual events.

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Populist says... December 3, 2012 at 6:26 a.m.

BillSmith,

I have not seen those movies, but if one wants to help a particular school, there are a number of things that one can do to improve the school. Volunteering and raising money are starters. Some teachers need assistants. Many schools need help with IT issues, buying books, filing, tutoring etc. Businesses can advertise in the school directory and school programs. Parents can help with school fundraisers to buy computers and promethean boards. Coaches coach sports and people with interests in the arts can direct plays or help with an art project. PTAs and concerned citizens should be in the faces of the local, state and federal politicians and ask why in the heck there are young hoodlums roaming the streets of Little Rock when they could be in school learning to read and use computers. Local Boys and Girls Clubs, the Y, and school tutoring programs should be on the top of everyone's list for charitable contributions.

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T6 says... December 3, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.

One of you LWNJ stated on here that a right wing website was saying Obama was going to run for a third term. Maybe!!! It seems his campaign is STILL asking for contributions.
politicker. com/2012/12/obama-campaign-still-asking-for-contributions/
All you Obots better send in your money!!!! He needs it since he's good at spending OTHER people's money!

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Jjackk says... December 3, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.

Romney's manager was paid 10 million dollars. No telling how much he paid himself for losing since PAC money can be transferred anonymously. Why do you still think one is a good guy and one is a bad guy? You are still completely lost on this politics stuff, little sheep.

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harley1305121514 says... December 3, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.

Populist....you first......I had "no doubt" that you would say you were active in the school system that was by all standards, excellant!! Now tell me why our school systems overall, excluding the ones you are involved with, are rated so low? As a country we are behind a lot of others (at least that is how it is reported). If it were as simple as you describe it to be in Montgomery County, Maryland system, which must not have many crack houses or poor model homes, my question is HOW do you think that the other school systems can possibly become as Montgomery County? Can you see the removal of ALL poor home lives or even harder, remove ALL crack houses? Can you see enough money, in this world, to fund ALL school systems that will have the BEST..... leaders at the top of the school administration, classroom teachers, necessary learning materials, facilities, and a program that can entice parents to take an active role not only at school but at home with all the follow up children need?
I am every bit the optimist in life as you claim to be. One big difference is that I am more of a realist than you and a lot of others posting here. Dreaming is a great way to make the world a better place but dreams only come true with massive effort to turn them into reality. Reality is that there isn't enough love, caring, willingness to dedicate oneself to the job of educating, by enough people to ever accomplish what you continue to post about education! I WISH THERE WAS!!!!! But wishing is a lot like dreaming and neither is REALITY.
You also mention "if I were in charge of the Little Rock school system". The things you mention you would do such as bring in outsiders and allow power to fire poor teachers, local attorney's etc. would change the quality of current students how?? You must have forgot about what you said concerning poor home life and crack houses!
How do you, with all of your intellect on problem solving and changing the world, propose to change the behavior of current students? You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink! What if...a student or several students don't want to learn anything being taught? Remember two things before you answer this one! First, keep your answer within REALITY! Second, remember the LAWS that liberals have in place at this time!

BillSmith....I haven't seen or heard of the movies you mentioned but I will try to find them and watch! I know you said they are based on real happenings but.....if it IS the way to make a bad school into a good school...then why isn't that happening at a noticable rate? Maybe I find my own answer after watching the movies.

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Populist says... December 3, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.

Harley,

Not everybody in Little Rock lives in a crack house. A number of people in Little Rock are working hard to improve the schools, and there are some good programs out there. Businesses have adopted some of the schools, and computers are being donated. What Little Rock needs is more community intolerance of bad public schools and more volunteerism. Little Rock suffers more from apathy than lack of resources. Too many people are more interested in the ranking of the Razorback football team and who is the coach, and too few care about the school rankings and who is superintendent of schools. How do you turn a school around? You volunteer your time, you raise funds to buy computers, and you complain about bad teachers and praise the good ones. You ask your state legislators to earmark funds for improvements, and you vote against them if they don't. Good schools are a community effort.

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Pobucker says... December 3, 2012 at 3:53 p.m.

Ahhh...It's good to be back!
I see gridlock is preserved, yay!
After all the whining over the "47%", let's see how much respect the 48% gets - heh, dang little I imagine.
Here's hoping for the fiscal cliff - it's a good thing, really. Nothing like a bucket of cold water in the face to wake you up.

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Jjackk says... December 3, 2012 at 5 p.m.

I bet Harley has never confronted a superintendent or a school board. they are supposed to be running things. How often do you see their performance ever questioned? Only for money. You want something done you go to the movers and shakers. Teachers do what they are told, PERIOD.

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Packman says... December 3, 2012 at 6:08 p.m.

Hey Populist - "A quality school is one that helps each child fulfill his or her best potential." You could have stopped with this and given a sum total answer to what makes a quality school. Past the "help" part, it's up to parental support and individual student effort. Sadly, schools in LR and much of the South will likely never recover from the social engineering that took place in the 70's and 80's where kids from grades K - 12 endured forced busing to achieve some liberal notion of racial integration. Concerned parents abandoned the LRSD in droves and did not return (check out the population growth in bedroom communities like Benton, Bryant, Cabot, and Conway and the explosion of private schools in Pulaski County as proof). Now, the district is dominated by homes that are part of a cluture where an education is secondary to the attaiment of a government check or the allure of quick cash from a life of crime. You are absolutely right that good schools are a community effort. Sadly, liberal social policies and teacher''s unions have destroyed the community concept throuhout the land. And your vote for BH Obama supported such liberal policies. Are you ashamed yet?

Hey BillSmith - I'm willing to take my chances with JC. Are you?

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Populist says... December 3, 2012 at 7:41 p.m.

Packman,

Explain why so many white Arkies are ignorant. You seem to think that it is just a black problem.

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Packman says... December 3, 2012 at 9:20 p.m.

Hey Populist - "Explain why so many white Arkies are ignorant." For the same reason many blacks are "ignorant" (your word, not mine) - they live in a culture where a quality education is a low priority. Sadly, this mentality is rampant in the inner city which is mostly inhabited by blacks. And I have NEVER said the problem was black or white. The problem is an entitlement culture created and sustained by shameless politicians who had rather buy votes with taxpayer money than win an election based on ideas and substance and the good of the country.

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Populist says... December 4, 2012 at 6:38 a.m.

Packman,

I'm all for wiping away the entitlement programs for all except the disabled, but you must have good education systems for that to happen. I am heartened by the recent news that the hispanic birth rate precipitously dropped this year as more hispanics have decided to limit the number of their children and pursue better education opportunities for them. My housekeeper is of very limited education, but her son is making straight As at the local community college and will be able to transfer to the University of Maryland and get his degree there. Her younger daughter is in elementary school and reading well beyond her grade level. Much of this success has to do with the quality of the schools available to my housekeeper's children. Your idea that schools should remain awful because the poor will not take advantage of good educational opportunities is hogwash. Give the kids of Little Rock computers and their computer proficiency will soar and crime will diminish.

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BillSmith says... December 4, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.

harley.....You say "Reality is that there isn't enough love, caring, willingness to dedicate oneself to the job of educating, by enough people to ever accomplish what you continue to post about education!"
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Watch the movies and you will see what it takes, and yes you may be right , there may not be enough people like the two in the movies. The schooll system just needs to replicate their ideas and find more teachers like them. I am sure they are out there.

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BillSmith says... December 4, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.

harley..... I forgot, let us know what you think after watching them.

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Packman says... December 4, 2012 at 2:54 p.m.

Hey Populist - "Your idea that schools should remain awful...." Here you have told yet another lie. My idea is to improve schools by encouraging and incentivizing parental involement and placing more emphasis on life skills education instead of the liberal arts at the K-12 level. Like most liberals you equate quality education with the symbolic gesture of spending more money. Like most conservatives I equate quality education with substantive student outcomes. Liberals prefer symbolism, conservatives prefer substance. My houskeeper's kids are doing very well in school too. But not because the schools are newer, the teacher's more caring, or the existence of a computer at ever desk. Her kids are doing well because she will not tolerate them doing otherwise. Her kids are taking advantage of opportuntities offered.

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Pobucker says... December 4, 2012 at 4:16 p.m.

The corrupt and misbegotten Chicago politician, Barack Hussein Obama, brings new meaning to the term "Bully Pulpit". He carelessly shows his distain for the 48% as he goes about efforts to humiliate and break the backs of House republicans.
The honorable and well-bred southern gentlemen, Rick Crawford, Timothy Griffin, Steve Womack and Tom Cotton know a bully when they see one. They will deal with him appropriately.

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Populist says... December 4, 2012 at 8:31 p.m.

Packman,

What is it that you are doing to encourage parents to be more active in their kids' academic lives?

Pobucker,

Can you explain the meaning of your name. I am afraid that I might have guessed it, but I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt.

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harley1305121514 says... December 5, 2012 at 1:20 a.m.

Populist...Thanks for informing me about crack houses. I thought all homes were crack houses. Your brilliance is only overshadowed by your total BS. Did you read my post before you started typing? Did I say ALL houses were crack houses? Did I only speak of only Little Rock? NO and NO! This time read the first part of my post and look closely for the word "country"!
If LR was the only trouble spot in the nation with school system problems there wouldn't be an issue. You post about education, education as a problem and a solution for the USA not just Little Rock. Why do you always skirt around answering questions as they are stated? Is it that you really don't know so you spit out a lot words and include some stories about your hired help?
You didn't even address the question about current student behavior in classrooms and how you could make them learn even when they don't want to learn. Is it because I said for your answer to be realistic and with-in the current laws of descrimination and child abuse etc? You know....the lead to water...can't make them drink problem?
Tell more stories about your housekeeper and your part of the Montgromery County school system you help stay at the top of the school system.
A quick story.....I helped and financed my yard man's efforts to get his family from Mexico to Little Rock. His wife is now my housekeeper. I also hired my yard man to work full time in my Little Rock warehouse and he has full benifits for himself and his family. His four kids go to a school in Little Rock and probably would be getting a better education if they were back in Mexico. If this couple went before the school board, do you think anyone would address their complaints?
Jjackk....you lose your bet. I have 4 grown children and have at one time and another been in front of both superintendents and school boards. The first time in the Seagoville school system in Dallas Texas, again in the Arp school system in Arp Texas (outside Tyler Texas) and even again in the Pulaski Academy school system in Little Rock. Nothing gets accomplished in the public school system but the private school system is different. I will let you guess why!
BillSmith...I never said a bad school absolutely could not be turned into a good school. I only make my point that it isn't even close to be as easy as Populist makes it out to be. The system is one thing but the student behavior change is hard as h_ _ _!
If Jjack hasn't guessed why on the public/private school systems, I will give a hint. "Bull_ _ _ _ walks and money talks!
I haven't gotten the movies yet but I hope tomorrow. I look forward to watching and will post my thoughts here.

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harley1305121514 says... December 5, 2012 at 1:43 a.m.

Populist....your post of Dec 1....could you give me YOUR interpretation of the teachings of Christ on homosexuality? Be specific and keep your answer about Christ and homosexuality only! Don't spit words out and don't skirt around the subject! I assume you mean the teachings of Christ as written in the Bible.

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Packman says... December 5, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.

Hey Populist - "What is it that you are doing to encourage parents to be more active in their kids' academic lives?" For starters, I vote for conservative politicians who disfavor teacher's unions in favor of kids and parental involvement. I also support politicians who favor neighborhood schools over the mega gerrymandered districts that tend to overwhelm parents and discourage parental involvement. I also provide my employees paid time off (up to one day per month) to attend their kids' functions at school and strongly encourage them to eat lunch at school with kids whenever possible. Thanks for asking the question.

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BillSmith says... December 6, 2012 at 12:02 a.m.

Harley you say The system is one thing but the student behavior change is hard as h_ _ _!

Have you watched the movies yet? Let us know when you have and then comment.

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Populist says... December 6, 2012 at 7:16 a.m.

Harley and Packman,

So many questions deserving responses! My time is limited in the month of December, so I apologize in advance for not always thoroughly answering your queries.

Christ on homosexuality--Christ is easy. He always preached compassion and loving thy neighbor. Indeed, loving God and thy neighbor is really the one biggie commandment according to Christ. When in doubt about how to treat other people, one can ask oneself, "What would Christ do?" While St. Paul declared homosexuality to be a sin, Christ never did. I am sure that Christ would not approve of persecution of homosexuals. For a more thorough treatment on this topic, I recommend visiting the Sojourners website.

On education--I never said education is easy. There is nothing easy about it. In this technological world, it takes many years of hard work to attain a good education. Most people are neither geniuses nor extremely talented in some fashion. However, a person with an average IQ has enough brain matter to turn that brain into something valuable through years of work. The amount of time spent working that brain matter and creating productive skills usually is the most important investment most of us make. Of course, the brain is not the only thing which matters. It is important to be happy and healthy so it is important to balance brain development with exercise and fun. There is a direct correlation between education and economic development. Some states want to attract business by touting low tax rates and cheap labor; other states do better by touting an educated work force. One stupid employee can make huge mistakes which are costly for the company. If Arkansas wants to move ahead, education should be a bigger priority.

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Populist says... December 6, 2012 at 8:02 a.m.


On educating disadvantaged kids...There are many different kinds of disadvantages which must be addressed differently. Children can be intellectually, physically, emotionally, or economically challenged. It becomes much easier to help disadvantaged children when they are fewer in number because government then has enough resources to devote to their particular problem. Ideally, every child would be healthy and live in a good environment. You can decrease the number of kids who live in poor environments by encouraging young people to delay childbearing until they have enough education or assets to support a child. Teenagers tend to not be the best parents. (I know that there are exceptions, but the numbers bear that out. Of course, if you delay childbirth too long there are increased numbers of birth defects. Ideally, every child would be born to 26 to 32 year old parents, but that is not always the way it happens.) You can decrease the number of unhealthy, intellectually and emotionally challenged kids, by encouraging prenatal visits and vitamins and genetic counseling. Increased therapeutic resources can decrease the number of emotionally challenged people who then tend to have emotionally challenged kids because they don't take good care of them. Anti-drug programs and crackdowns on drug trafficking also decreases the number of disadvantaged kids. As a society, we also have to figure out what is causing autism which is getting to be a bigger and bigger problem which we do not yet know how to prevent. I agree with the conservatives that passing out welfare checks actually has a detrimental effect and creates a culture of dependency, and therefore, I favor workfare and education etc. over welfare although I am a big supporter of school lunch, afterschool programs, and summer school etc.

No matter how many preventative efforts you undergo to try to prevent the number of disadvantaged children, a number of children will be disadvantaged. There is an array of programs for different kinds of children too numerous to mention here. I think that Packman and Harley mostly want me to address how to help the culturally deprived children of Little Rock who grow up in crack houses or just in houses which do not value education. When the preventative measures mentioned above do not work, in the worst cases, I agree with Newt Gingrich that children often are better off in orphanages. While there are some great foster homes, there are not enough of them. If you offer good schools with interesting programs, afterschool activities, and summer programs, some of the children from the homes which do not value education will bite. If you want to see how a program can turn children around, go to the Phillips County Arkansas Boys and Girls Club website. This club offers athletic activities and educational activities. The girls who attend there are not getting pregnant, and those kids are staying in school and off drugs.

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harley1305121514 says... December 6, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.

Populist......IN A PERFECT WORLD FULL OF PERFECT PEOPLE......again that is only a dream and not a reality! Probably never will be reality!
You make a lot of comments and suggestions about all of the things that "could" be done and "would" make education, home life, child behavior, and life in general a lot better for others. Problem is....you are not saying anything that hasn't been said many, many times before and by many, many other people! I would hate to think that any average thinking person wouldn't already know everything you just posted! Knowing what it takes and making what it takes to make it happen are two very different things.
I am in no way being critical of your post information because you are very right! (Imagine me saying that)! In my time of life from high school until today, I have heard what you have said thousands of times. I still see most of the same problems in school systems but a lot of the problems have escalated to be criminal. Why is that? Myself and most all of the other male students I went to school with carried a knife to school. Not for the purpose of stabbing or cutting anyone. Look at today....metal detectors....expelled students when caught with a knife. Why is that? There were no drugs except cigarettes. Can the presence of drugs and the selling of drugs be stopped today? We had poor families but most families stayed together and the fathers didn't turn to selling drugs as away to make money, they found jobs laboring for a little of nothing.
I could go on forever making my point about school systems and education and why it WILL NOT change for the better in my or even my grandchildren's lives. It can't happen to any degree with just a few people caring. It would take a unbelievably huge number of people working in an unbelievably huge number of different areas to even get a large turn around started.
There will always be an exception or two that will be stories of success but the large majority will not change and it is only dreaming to think otherwise. That is REALITY!
BillSmith.....your answer to your last post is at the end of my last post!

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Populist says... December 6, 2012 at 4:20 p.m.

Harley,

There are many neighborhoods in this country with good schools and low crime rates. Yes, it takes much hard work. PTA, coaches, volunteers, dedicated teachers, policemen, and taxpayers all contribute to the good of the community. While not everything will be perfect and not every child can be saved, every child and life is worth our effort. A good holiday movie is "It's a Wonderful Life". It's a little corny, but it is about the positive impact of one ordinary person. The world is full of many such people. I've known teachers, foster parents, coaches and other such people who are virtual saints. Most of us are not that good, but if we all can be nice, the world is a much better place. Communities with good schools do well as they attract many good businesses, and they also create entrepreneurial types who stimulate the economy.

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T6 says... December 6, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.

Populist..... The Bible does not specifically say HOMOSEXUALITY. BUT there is no doubt what the Scriptures say about the subject. You are purposely ignoring the fact that a SIN in the Old Testament IS STILL a sin in the New Testament.

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harley1305121514 says... December 6, 2012 at 4:50 p.m.

Populist.....The word of God as written by others would not approve of hate towards anyone. A person shouldn't hate a child rapist, a child murderer etc. according to Christ. I find that hard to obey and that may well be a problem for me later.
I don't hate homosexuals!! I don't believe homosexuality is right or normal! If I thought it was right and normal, I guess I would be one. It makes no sense to me at all. I can only feel that God created man and woman and wanted them to go out and be fruitful, not fruity. God could not have meant for man and man and woman and woman to be paired together because if He had He would have created two men and two women in the first place and expected that to be the end of humans and the end of the story! Matched as such, there could be no children. I hope homosexuals are aware of that fact.
Populist, are you or your husband homosexuals? If not why not? Would your husband perform sex acts with another man? If not why not? Would you think nothing wrong about your husband if he did commit sex acts with another man? If not why not?
I don't expect you will answer these questions as to them being so personal and putting you on the spot.
My point is.....you don't have to hate homosexuals in order to feel that homosexuality is disgusting and sickening and very wrong!!!!
Don't place a large bet on Christ approving homosexuality. I will give you 10 to 1 odds against it and you can pay me if we meet up yonder. I'll be there and I hope to see you with my winnings!

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harley1305121514 says... December 6, 2012 at 5:02 p.m.

Populist....I bet I have seen that movie more times than you! I also understood what the movie was about and the message the story told! It was a MOVIE! NOT REALITY! That is what hollywood does. Ever here of DreamWorks in the movie industry? Did you know that all reality tv shows are scripted and played out like any other movie? Not real reality!!
Again you make the same points on schools etc but.....please.....just one answer as to solving the BIG picture and not one incident here and one incident there. Be REAL.....do you actually believe it can be changed in your life time? Let's just say you live to be 90. Will it be turned around by then?

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inquire says... December 6, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.

In the mid seventies, Marva Collins started a school in a rough neighborhood of Chicago for disadvantaged and poorly performing students. It was funded by donations for over thirty years. Some of the students had been labeled learning disabled by other schools.
She was a fiercely tough teacher, but proved that any student with the right teaching method can absorb a classical education and excel.
She was featured on "60 Minutes, wrote a book, and now has a website. I've always found her teaching accomplishments very inspiring.
There are also things to be learned from the Montessori method. When I ran the childrens' room in a public library, the Montessori students who came in were a delight. You have to allow for the fact that being a Montessori student means it is likely they come from well-to-do homes where there are books to read, parents who pay attention to them, and interesting discussion and activities are part of their home life. But that can't be all of it. They were incredibly polite, intelligent, well spoken, and eager to read and learn.

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Populist says... December 6, 2012 at 8:09 p.m.

Harley,

I believe that God created homosexuals because not everybody needs to "multiply." We've got way too much of that multiplying going on now. Should elderly people refrain from sex because they are too old to have children? Is oral sex immoral because children cannot be created? We need homosexual men because they have taste. Some of my favorite writers were homosexual men, and some of the great fashion designers and interior designers were or are homosexual men. I've not known as many lesbians, but many of them have been productive citizens as well. Who am I to judge others? Who am I to point out the specks in other's eyes when I may have a board in my own?

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harley1305121514 says... December 7, 2012 at 12:36 a.m.

Populist...we differ in our thinking about homosexuals. I don't think God created homosexuals! God created man and woman with an obvious purpose. Certain men and women create their own desire to be homosexuals. Next you will be telling me God created, designed, and approved abortion for the same reason as He created homosexuals.....to control people multiplying! God help you if you do. Thou shall not kill!
What has older people stopping or having sex have to do with this conversation?
Oral sex between two men is sickening and you would not mind your husband performing oral sex on another man I guess! You are aware that it is not only oral sex between those men...right? As I said, I don't hate homosexuals but I can't accept it as anything God had in mind. Not at all.
The school systems and education problems are the better discussion. It's a shame it has come to this big of a problem with no end to the problem in sight! America isn't what it used to be!

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Populist says... December 7, 2012 at 8:32 a.m.

Harley,

You are kind of puritanical for a motorcycle dude.

If you only read the crime pages of the ADG, it may seem that the world is coming to an end. However, there are many communities in America with low crime rates and low unemployment. Those are the communities with many volunteers, strong support for good public services, and good schools. In fact, there are some good schools in the Little Rock School District such as Pulaski Heights Middle School. A handful of active parents in such schools can make a difference. More people in the community also need to get in the face of the school board and their state legislators and demand higher school standards and new leadership. All the schools need to become tech savvy and equipped with computers.

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BillSmith says... December 7, 2012 at 9:08 a.m.

harley........... What about the little 5 year old boy that wants to be a girl. Now tell me what a 5 year old knows and understands about GOD and SEX and his choices? RSVP ASAP.

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lazybar says... December 7, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.

"'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" but it also says its not our job to judge.if you research enough you can anything to support your view,if its a choice or something you were born with both have supporting data but if it were a natural act you would be able to reproduce.we all will have to answer for our actions someday and its between GOD and ourselves not anyone else. ya`ll stop throwing up whats christian and whats not because you judging my actions as not a christian is not acting like a christian and if your not a christian then how do you know i`m acting like one or not?

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Populist says... December 7, 2012 at 12:14 p.m.

I am a Christian, and I try to follow what Christ says (to the best of my fallible, selfish ability). Nowhere in the Bible is Christ quoted as saying that homosexuality is a sin. It is all something that St. Paul made up--along with women submitting to men. As women tend to be morally superior to men, I suspect that Christ was very against women submitting to men.

Just because people can't procreate does not necessarily make sex a sin. Should we ban people from having sex if they are infertile? No. Should we dictate the kinds of sex people can have with other consenting adults? No. As Christians, we should not worry ourselves with what other people are doing in their private bedrooms. We should be going around bringing Christ's joy to the world through good deeds--especially during this season.

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djigoo says... December 7, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.

Amen, Populist.

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Packman says... December 7, 2012 at 9:57 p.m.

Hey Populist - As Christians, we should not worry ourselves with the amount of money other people make, but liberals do. We should be going around bringing Christ's joy to the world through good deeds--especially during this season and stop promoting disharmony with class warfare.

God created man in his image, including GBLT's. JC teaches to hate the sin but love the sinner. Is homosexuality a biblical sin? Honest and sincere people can legitimately debate the question based on scripture. What is beyond debate, however, is that homosexuality is purely unnatural. With gay men and lesbians, no body parts fit by natural design for procreation and artificial instruments are just that, artificial.

Hey BillSmith - What do you say to that 5 year old who turn 6 and decides he wants to be a boy again? What do you say to the 57 year old man who enjoys having sex with little boys?

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T6 says... December 7, 2012 at 11:16 p.m.

Populist.... Are you saying Christ disregarded what was in the Old Testament? The word "homosexuality" and "abortion" are not in the Bible but scriptures are very clear on those subjects. On your asinine statement about Paul making things up, I doubt a man hand picked by God to Preach the Gospel to the Gentiles, witnessed the Risen Christ, was persecuted and physically abuse for teaching and preaching the Word of God, would risk the wrath of God for preaching something that didn't come from the Word of God and the Holy Spirit.

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harley1305121514 says... December 8, 2012 at 1:41 a.m.

Populist.....you are a strange person! Are you implying that because I am a Harley biker (don't forget my Corp. executive position I served for 23 yrs. @ $130,000.00 a yr. and before retiring @ $300,000.00 a yr.) I should be an immoral person? You bet I have high morals but I am not a puritian. A puritan would find luxury and pleasure as sinful. I don't find either to be sinful for me because I don't indulge in either to the extreme. I just enjoy what God has blessed me with and give Him thanks.
Your comments on banning sex due to being infertile, not procreating being sinful and dictating the type of sex for consenting adults are just plain stupid! Stupid because no one at anytime ever insinuated such things. I, me, myself have never even thought that. You are so eager to condem others about something, hell anything, that you put false words in others mouths or you make up lies!
I only state MY OPINIONS, MY BELIEFS and MY FEELINGS. Let me say it again so you don't get confused! My opinions, my beliefs and my feelings. If I want to believe, and I do, that homosexuality is wrong, sickening, filthy, and sinful, I am free to state so to anyone at anytime! You and others are free to believe and feel otherwise. A mans behind is an exit orfice. Women were created with the entrance orfice and that doesn't include her behind!
I don't give a rats a_ _ what homosexuals do in their sex acts but I don't have to agree with it being morally right or healthy!
lazybar.....I have never tried to force christanity on anyone. I will, and do, state MY own beliefs and confess MY belief and love for MY Lord Jesus Christ to anyone at anytime.

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harley1305121514 says... December 8, 2012 at 1:54 a.m.

BillSmith.....A 5yr. old little boy that wants to be a little girl? You are trying to be funny, right? Bill, do you have children of your own? If so, what would you do if your own 5yr. old son said he wanted to be a girl? Please don't say you would run him down to the hospital for a sex change operation! Actually I don't think you could find a doctor in this country that would perform such an operation. For that matter I don't think the law would allow it. Now, seriously speaking, do you think a 5yr. old boy or girl is even capable of knowing what he/she actually wants their sex to be? What a question......Lord help you for that one!
And what about Packmans question? Think about it!!!

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Populist says... December 8, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.

Harley,

I actually studied the transgender issue at Vanderbilt Law School in the Law, Medicine and Ethics class. Yes, there are those people around. I also have known many gay men in my life. I do not think that they chose to be that way; it is very hard given all the prejudice and discrimination that they face. I try not to think about what people do in their bedrooms. Just as I don't care to think about how hot dogs are made. I don't think there is anything "natural" about 300 lb people having sex, but I am not about to prohibit them from doing it. With all the robberies and problems with schools in Little Rock, you should be more concerned with those instead of the homosexuals. I just love gay men. They have any appreciation for art, architecture, literature etc., and they often are extremely kind and giving people with great senses of humor.

Aren't you single? You and Packmen go around telling others how they should live, but you aren't the straightlaced, married men the far right thinks that you should be. In fact, neither is Rush Limbaugh nor Newt Gingrich.

Packman,

How are things going with the lady pilot?

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BillSmith says... December 8, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.

harley.......If you would like to be enlightned about about transgender children visit this link
youtube. com/watch?v=S5P9kUz0yO0
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harley give us your reply ASAP.
Your type thinks they know so much.

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BillSmith says... December 8, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.

Packman, T6 and Harley........ here is eposode 2 for you to watch at 7 years old.
youtube. com/watch?v=S5P9kUz0yO0

Again you are all requested to reply ASAP.

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BillSmith says... December 8, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.

Packman,T6,Harley....... you will have to delete the space between the . and the com for the link to work.

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Packman says... December 8, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.

Hey BillSmith - Answer my questions and I'll watch that fictional video.

Hey Populist - Thanks for asking about my pilot. We're duck hunting this weekend on a layover between stops in Dallas and Orlando. That's not all true. I'm hunting and she's sleeping in and enjoying fine red wine in the afternoons/evening and my home cooking (ribeyes and deer chili). This is one weird relationship. This weekend is one of those times I feel she's only with me for the sex, and I'm being serious.

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harley1305121514 says... December 8, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.

Populist....I know you had my post deleted again as you have before! At least you know the truth about you as I stated it. You run from the truth about you and that shows you to be the same coward as your draft dodging husband!
To quote another movie: "You CAN'T handle THE TRUTH"

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Populist says... December 8, 2012 at 7:31 p.m.

Packman,

I'm glad you are good for something! Ha! Ha! Get her something nice and sparkly for XMas! Assuming that you are not ready for the ring, a nice necklace or bracelet is in order. Something simple and elegant. (Have her sister or friend advise you if you don't know what she likes!

Harley,

It wasn't me this time! I did not see what you said, but do not drink in the afternoon. Give a nice gift to the Heifer project or the local boys and girls club and you will feel better about yourself.

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BillSmith says... December 8, 2012 at 8:07 p.m.

Packman.......You just want to stay ignorant of the facts, if you watch the video it will answer your question. The truth scares you to death. Maybe you want to look this couple up and go to their house and explain to the 7 year old about him being an abomination unto GOD. They noticed this behavior at a very early age.The child's father who is Lutheren and a Sunday school teacher would have had a problem explaining the sexual abominations, but, I sure YOU, Packman, with all of your infinite knowledge, would be able to. T6, you and Harley might want to go along to share you wisdom on the subject as well. You two may be able to pray the behavior/abomination away.

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BillSmith says... December 8, 2012 at 8:11 p.m.

T6, Harley, Packman.......We are still waiting your replies. Are you all scared to watch the video. If we get no replies, we all will know the answer is yes.

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T6 says... December 9, 2012 at 12:02 a.m.

Hey BillSmith...... You don't think there's a possiblity that Satan would plant misleading thoughts in children's minds.
Satan is the great deceiver and liar. He uses anyone and anything to get us to sin and question God. Do you think it matters to the Devil if it's man, woman or child? He's after SOULS. He knows what temps us. All I know is God created mankind in his own image in the image of God he created them, male and female he created them. I don't think WE are supposed to change that. My God does not make mistakes, Satan does. The Bible tells us "Your enemy the Devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.”

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T6 says... December 9, 2012 at 12:09 a.m.

BTW BillSmith..... NEVER underestimate the POWER OF PRAYER!!!!

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inquire says... December 9, 2012 at 2:17 a.m.

T6, there are legitimate medical cases of people who have felt they were supposed to be a different gender for as far back as they can remember. Others are born with indistinct genitalia and something has to be done. Some parents choose a gender soon after birth. Sometimes what they choose is not what the child feels as it matures, which is why some parents wait until the child seems to identify as one gender or another. These are simply abnormalities that happen during gestation.
When a child is born with deformities of the heart, limbs, palate, a tied tongue, or in need of cochlear implant, do you say your God doesn't make mistakes, or do you admit that these things happen in nature and they should be corrected?

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BillSmith says... December 9, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.

T6.........Are you trying to tell me that the father, who is a Sunday school teacher has not prayed for his child? You talk about the power of prayer, and you don't even have the guts to watch the video. Also, his other older child is a normal boy, I guess Satan could not get to him for some reason, right. Give us your explanation! We are wating.

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djigoo says... December 9, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.

So-called "ex-gay ministries, with their "pray away the gay" philosophy, are dangerous frauds.

And Populist, you're attempting to use logic in an argument with a person who has demonstrated time and again his unfamiliarity with it. Good luck with that.

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T6 says... December 9, 2012 at 3:13 p.m.

Inquire.....Your examples all were "born with" but not "conceieved with"
BillSmith... My statement about the prayer was to your stuoid statement about T6, you and Harley might want to go along to share you wisdom on the subject as well. You two may be able to pray the behavior/abomination away.
Of course I didn't mean the father didn't pray hard enough but Satan urges things to happen to test our faith.

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BillSmith says... December 9, 2012 at 6:17 p.m.

T6..... I need some explaning about being born with as oposed to being conceveied with a birth defect. Harley and Packman, we are still waiting for you to provide some answers on the video, or are you two going to let T6 do all the heavy lifting for you?

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BillSmith says... December 9, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.

Harley......Have you not watched the movie "The Ron Clark Story" or "Freedom Writers" regarding teachers making classrooms better? It appears that you,T6 and Packman just love to jack your jaws about your ideology, religion and philosophy, but will not take a few minutes to view a 5 min video or a movie that pertains to the subjects you have just mouthed off about. You have got to back off of that "Fair and Balanced" Fix News approach and openly discuss issues from both sides.

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harley1305121514 says... December 9, 2012 at 8:56 p.m.

BillSmith......You talk big and bad on the computer. If you want to know what I am scared of or if I need help lifting anything or want to change my mouthing you should talk bad to my face. Don't let your mouth overload your ass! Besides you are coming across like a little child. You weren't one of those little boys that wanted to be a little girl were you?
I have other things to do, like taking my 21/2 yr. old grandson places. I have stayed civil with my post for the most part but you need to hold down your computer bad self. You are right that I jack jaw.....especially the jaw of people like you!
Now to address the youtube video, more specifically videos as I watched several on the subject.
You would seem to imply that because these particular children had this gender confusion at an early age that they were definitely a girl in a boys body. Obiviously they felt something odd about themselves but it didn't help that the parents let the little boy dress up and look and play as a little girl at age 18 months. How do you are anyone else know for sure that if a 18 mo. old boy was parented correctly by his father and taught boy things by spending time together doing the normal father/son activities instead of crying and allowing his son to dress as a girl and play dolly and dance with his sister, the boy might have felt more boyish. Going to the doctor and accepting their diagnosis without going to get several medical opinions didn't help the kid either. If you watched several of these videos as I did you would also have learned that a large number of doctors disagree with the little girl in a little boys body diagnosis. I am not a doctor of any kind and I can only have and form MY own opinion. Because the bad BillSmith says what his opinion is, and it is different from mine, it doesn't make either of us correct!
You, like Populist, can't accept the fact that when someone, myself, makes a comment or statement about what they believe is right or wrong or true or false, it is their, God given right to think as we please! You and everyone else have the same right.
I can only speak for me and I think everyone is as you are born and pray God will help straighten out anything that you feel is wrong with you while you, yourself, work hard to correct those strange feelings using your own mind. I don't think God makes mistakes...people do.
I still don't agree with sex changes and I assume you do! I still think homosexuality is wrong and I assume you don't. I still think Obama is bad for America and I assume you don't. So freaking what?

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harley1305121514 says... December 9, 2012 at 8:58 p.m.

billSmith....No I haven't watched the two other videos and I haven't found them yet but intend to.

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BillSmith says... December 10, 2012 at 12:52 a.m.

Harley........Really glad you responded on the video, you must have missed the fact that the couple had an older son and the other little girl was not her sister. Would you ask youself the question if it was the parents fault, why was the older brother being a normal boy? Speaking of letting my mouth overload my ass, I would be glad to meet with you, in say Little Rock. Would you agree to have our conversation video taped, I am thinking about making a documentary about Christains who consider homosexuality, gay marriage,transgender children and adults, an a abomination, like a scourge on society, second class citizens, etc. You see, I think these persons have the same rights as you and I, under the US Constitution and I think the SC will decide that as well. Would you consider being my first intervue? You can bring T6 and Packman as well.

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BillSmith says... December 10, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.

Harley......... I meant in no way to stereotype Christains like it sounded in my comment, I meant to say "so many Christains", my best friend is a devout Christain who voted for Obama, but is very open minded when it comes to equal right for all people under our constitution. And, you are right a face to face discussion would be best, and it will be OK if you don't want to be video taped, maybe just an audio recording.

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Packman says... December 10, 2012 at 9:38 a.m.

Hey BillSmith - "Christains who consider homosexuality, gay marriage,transgender children and adults, an a abomination." Show anywhere or at anytime I have proclaimed homosexuality to be an "abomination" or apologize immediately. All I've ever said is I believe sexual orientation (not gender development) to be a choice and homosexuality to be patently abnormal. The video you champion disputes neither contention. As a lifestyle choice there are no rights to be protected by the US Constitution. I firmly believe state-sanctioned marriage should be limited to a union between a biological man and a biological woman. Non-traditional pairings like gays, lesbians, bi-sexuals with multiple partners, polygamists with multiple partners, siblings, and same-sex heterosexuals who want the state sanctioning for purely legal purposes make a mockery of the institution of marriage. I draw the line at traditional unions, you draw the line at gay/lesbian unions at the exclusion of others. You may now apologize at any time.

Hey Populist - Thanks for the advice but my pilot isn't big on the bling. I'm probably buying her a new shotgun for Christmas (seriously).

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djigoo says... December 10, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.

As soon as someone calls sexual identity a "lifestyle choice," I know I needn't pay any further attention, as it then becomes obvious that ignorance has trumped intelligence.

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BillSmith says... December 10, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.

Packman......I have nothing to apoligize for, you made the statement "Hey BillSmith - Answer my questions and I'll watch that fictional video."
If you watched it you saw there was nothing fictional about it, at least from the parents point of view. That statement classifies you as far as I am concerned. As well as this one to djigoo...."Just curious but as a tranny, when using a public restroom do you use the girls or boys?" Why don't you ask the same question to the parents of the five year old boy?

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Populist says... December 10, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.

Many homosexual and transgender children are born to disapproving parents. These people do not encourage or condone these behaviors. Unfortunately, these kinds of things are not choices. These poor children often commit suicide due to the disapproval of the good "Christians" and their own self-hatred. People all should just be a little nicer and more accepting of people who are different. It is the way of true Christianity.

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djigoo says... December 10, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.

Thanks, BillSmith. I count a number of trans people among my closest friends. Packman obviously has very limited life experience, as evidenced by his hateful tirades against anything outside of the narrow little cubby hole in which his brain resides.

I pray he hasn't reproduced. Can you imagine being raised in a household so un-Christian and hate-filled?

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Packman says... December 10, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.

Hey djigoo - "Packman obviously has very limited life experience, as evidenced by his hateful tirades against anything outside of the narrow little cubby hole in which his brain resides." LMAO.....Classic hypocrisy from the looney left. You accuse me of "hateful tirades" in the midst of a hateful tirade (cubby hole in which his brain resides). Please, please, please, djigoo, keep sharing your thoughts. You continually illustrate the abject ignorance and arrogance of the looney left. Thanks.

Hey BillSmith - My bad. I thought you had high enough character to admit it when you propel a falsehood, but I was wrong. Again, I have NEVER called homosexuals an abomination. As to my question about transexual's use of public restrooms, it is a most legitimate question to the debate. Which do they choose and why? And djigoo says he's gay, not me. I'm just not sure he means gay as in straight gay, gay as in gay gay, gay as in transexual gay, gay as in bi-sexual gay, or gay as in not funny gay (from a scene in the movie Sling Blade).

Hey Populist - Of course its a choice. How else to explain the countless individuals who have gone from straight to gay to bi-sexual back to straight, or countless variations thereof? Until it shows up as an indicator on a DNA sample, sexual orientation is a lifestyle choice. As to that more accepting you espouse regarding folks who are different, do you mean more accepting the way you accepted Mitt Romney and his Mormon beliefs? Gawd, you can be such the sanctimonous little liberal.....

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djigoo says... December 10, 2012 at 5:07 p.m.

Right on cue, Pack re-demonstrates what became abundantly evident months ago.

But no response to my question about reproducing, so I'm going to hold out hope that there is no child out there unfortunate enough to be sprung from such bitter loins.

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Pobucker says... December 10, 2012 at 6:05 p.m.

Pobucker is po'bucker and african pidgen for poor bucker, meaning poor devil or poor white trash. The meaning is elevated in conversational english and not race specific. Who exactly IS a po'bucker becomes somewhat of an issue. The easiest way to determine is this: If when given a "kill all po'buckers" button, you hesitate to press it, you're probably a po'bucker. The funniest thing I ever heard was one po'bucker calling an other po'bucker, "po'bucker". As an example, even today it is that way with the "N" word amongst african americans and black comedians.

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Pobucker says... December 10, 2012 at 6:06 p.m.

That was for Populist.

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Pobucker says... December 10, 2012 at 6:25 p.m.

Back to work:
Republican congressmen should all go home for christmas right now. Let the Bush tax cuts expire for everyone. Let sequestration take place.
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Come back to a new congress and pass a middle class income tax break. A republican tax break to replace the expired republican tax break. Make the new middle class tax break permanent and demand spending cuts to match. All in one bill, because the democrats are like LUCY. They will move the football if you let them. Make the democrats responsible for holding the middle class hostage over their favorite spending programs. (I think the most favorite are those that directly drive folks to the polls to vote democrat, read bread and circus here).
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When sequestration finally hits something sensitive, pass a bill cutting spending in some place less delicate. All this led by Republicans. Hit loopholes for the rich at that time, in the same bill, just to show how much good faith the republicans can generate.
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We do not have a "revenue" problem.
We have a spending problem.
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heh, I think I'll send this to my congressmen.

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harley1305121514 says... December 10, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.

BillSmith.....You don't get it and I can't through to you! How many times must I say to you, hypocrite Populist etc that what I think, what I believe and what I say is MINE to do, be and say as I want to. I have never asked you or anyone else to see anything as I do. I haven't ask you or Populist to be against any of the things you mentioned, all of which I, ME, think are patheticlly wrong. I don't care what anyone else believes or thinks. That is their business. My business is my business and mine alone! Surely you can get a grip on this can't you?
As for the video what difference does it make if the other kid was a sister or a friend? The 18 mo. old little boy in question was still allowed to dress up as a little girl, play dollies whatever, and act as if he was a she by his parents. You failed to address the point I made about IF the little boys father had not allowed girly actions and spent time showing/teaching what boys are really about, might that have made a difference in the childs behavior? Before you or any other expert say "no it wouldn't have", keep in mind that you can't know because it wasn't tried. I personally might have tried home schooling and kept him away from others that made fun of him until he was older and I had spent more time explaining that he is a boy. I sure as heck would have tried a lot of things before I gave in to him having a sex change. And NO I don't know if I would have ever given in to or accepted the operation. Thank God it never happened to me. What would be the correct action to take if the little boy, after sex change to be a girl, starts thinking he is now a boy again and wants to get his manhood back? Would you give her another sex change to become a boy again? Before you experts say, "that would never happen", how do you know it wouldn't? How many operations? Where do you draw the line?
Bill, do you KNOW FOR SURE that if you had a son that age and he wanted to become a she that you would just take him for the operation? Before you say, "yes I would", how do you KNOW if that situation has never happened to you?

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BillSmith says... December 10, 2012 at 8:32 p.m.

Harley.....You don't get it and I can't through to you! I don't care what, how or why you think like you do, you have your right to you expression on issues just as I do. What gets me is when people that think like you do are in a position, put there by people like you, that want their and your views to be the LAW of THE LAND! When, it goes against equal right for all US citizens. If two gays marry and then have the same rights under the law as any other married couple has, how does that marriage specifically or adversely effect your lifestyle? If I smoke "Pot" how does that specifically or adversely effect your lifestyle? When I drink my Wild Turkey 101 how does that specifically or adversely effect you lifestyle? If a woman uses a contraceptive how does that specifically or adversely effect your lifestyle? If I am a Christain, Muslim, Hindu or atheist how does that specifically or adversely effect your lifestyle? If a woman and her doctor think she needs to have an abortion how does that specifically or adversely effect your lifestyle? It is the people you elect that want to force me to adhear to their beliefs on social issues such as these, that I have a problem with. And, the result of the election places the majority with my views.

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inquire says... December 10, 2012 at 8:37 p.m.

Harley, anyone who expects to be transgendered through the legitimate medical establishment in this country has to have psychological evaluation, and successfully live as their desired gender for a good period of time before any surgery will be done.

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Populist says... December 11, 2012 at 6:49 a.m.

Harley,

For a man who has 4 children, you seem to not know very much about them. Some gay guys have very masculine fathers, and some lesbian girls have very feminine mothers. Indeed, a great number of young people who commit suicide are homosexual children whose parents do not accept who they are.

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Packman says... December 11, 2012 at 9:33 a.m.

Hey BillSmith - If consenting adults want to have sex in public, how does that affect your lifestyle? Do you really drink WT 101? Wow, I'm impressed. If Jack Daniels isn't available, that's my libation of chioce.

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BillSmith says... December 11, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.

Packman........That does not effect my lifestyle one iota, and if thats what turns em own let them go for it.

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BillSmith says... December 11, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.

Packman.... that's kinda like someone streaking naked at a football game, if thats what trips their trigger fine, I got two choices, to watch or not. I am live an let live.

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Populist says... December 11, 2012 at 11:16 a.m.

There are nudists camps for people who want to do that thing. I don't think that I would ever recover from the sight of Rush Limbaugh doing it in public.

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aimee says... December 11, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.

Are there people here who STILL can't get over that the president won re-election..??? Get a life..!!! .
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Countdown to President Obama's second term - 40 DAYS..!!!

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Pobucker says... December 11, 2012 at 3 p.m.

Oh, I'm over it, Aimee. No more fears of a bloody rebellion should he have lost. Takes my doomsday scenerio off the table. Whew - no burning cars, no looting, no raping. YAY! 12/21 should pass without incident.
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However, I don't believe you have quite grasped the fact that the republicans were reelected to oppose the Obamazation of America. It is quite a delicious sauce for the gander, my dear.

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inquire says... December 11, 2012 at 3:11 p.m.

The Republicans were reelected to the House through Gerrymandering. Nationwide, the Democratic candidates for the House tallied more votes total than the Republicans.

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Pobucker says... December 11, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.

It should be obvious to everyone that the geographically tiny, but demographically powerful urban hives of activity are blue. All that massive red area is populated by the few folks that feed these throbbing urban centers. While the blue dances its gangnam style, crowing and swaggering, the red is hardening under the assault on its tender sensibilities. Each election cycle further refines and defines this separation of ideals. Arkansas has only one national democrat left and the state leg just went republican in both houses. It is the same all over - just look at Michigan today and Wisconsin a little while back. The city, grasshopper like, vote for bread and circus. The country, ant-like, look up from their work and ask, who's paying?
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harley1305121514 says... December 11, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.

BillSmith.....you REALLY don't get it!! You answered Packmans question exactly as I answer your questions to me! NONE of the things you ask effect me "one iota" either!! Where did you get that they did? When did I say they effected me? Do you have any idea what you are talking about when you throw that crap out?
I would say once more about my opinions and my beliefs but since you haven't got it by now, your head is too thick for it to get into. QUESTION: Bill do you, for some reason, feel I should think, feel or even vote as you do? If my voting and my beliefs somehow upset you then let me say again,"I don't give a flip about how or what you feel! Get it? Please get it!
Aimee....How did you come to the conclusion that Obamas election has anything to do with any discussion going on right now? You must have been sleeping for a while.
Populist....God only knows how I just can't wait to hear your stupid comments each day. You make me laugh! I will say this....you do know a lot of sh_ _! You know about me as a father, as a business man, as a believer in God, all of my going on's and even my drinking habits in the evening. But I drink whenever I feel like drinking and I love my Crown Royal on the rocks and my Jack Daniels with diet coke! Do you have a crystal ball or are you just that darn smart? You know for a fact that as a "biker" I sure am puritanical but you don't say how you came to that conclusion. I am not a puritan! Although I do have "my own strict morals", I DON'T consider luxuries sinful and pleasures within my moral standards are not sinful either. As a person, who absolutely can not be an attorney and tell me I am not entitled to have my own moral standards to go by, you sure seem to be wrong about others all the time. You seem to think that bikers should be immoral people just because they ride motorcycles. Or at least that I should be! Wrong again.
Inquire....it is good to hear your smarts. How long is a good period of time for a person to live as their desired gender before having the operation? I also think I said parents should seek medical opinions for their children. More specifically I said several opinions. I didn't say anything about adults and their choice to have a penis taken off or added on. I said I thought it was wrong for anyone to do as such but.....Let me guess....you like BillSmith and Populist don't feel I am entitled to my own opinion. How long is a good period of time? I bet Populist knows! Anyone up for a bet on Populist knowing? She sure makes me laugh!

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Pobucker says... December 11, 2012 at 4:07 p.m.

Gerrymander. I'll show you gerrymander. The poor mexican population in south LR should by all rights have a seat on the city council. But the poor mexicans were gerrymandered out of their rightful access by the black wards on either side.
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Gerrymander - phtt. What piffle, what a weak explanation, what grasping at straws to explain how whole swaths of countryside are painted red. The dems tried to gerrymander out republican strength in Arkansas, but even moving the lines didn't work.
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If democrats are so powerful, how does gerrymander benefit republicans? It is those in charge that can gerrymander. Besides, gerrymander has to take place under the watchful eye of the courts.
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Inquire, gerrymander explains a little. You gotta explain a whole lot more.

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BillSmith says... December 11, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.

Harley.......If gay marriage does not effect you, why would you want to ban it. If someone smoking pot does not effect you, why not you drink your whisky and let them smoke their pot. It was the religious right that killed the Arkansas Medical Marijuana Act. The point I am trying to make is for you to believe and say what you like, but when you try to make laws that force other to behave or believe as you do, that is where I draw the line. What I advocate is indivudual choice, to drink or not, to smoke pot or not, a woman to have an abortion or not, a woman to use contraceptives or not.

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Pobucker says... December 11, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.

Gee, BillSmith, I am right there with you. You sound suspeciously libertarian.
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Neither appeals to me.

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Packman says... December 11, 2012 at 6:35 p.m.

Hey BillSmith - "That (consenting adults having sex in public) does not effect my lifestyle one iota, and if thats what turns em own let them go for it." I tend to agree, so why is it illegal? As to gay marriage, I oppose it on a very practical basis. If you support state-sanctioned gay marriage you must also support all non-traditional unions (polygamists, bi-sexuals in multiples, siblings, same sex heterosexuals, etc.) otherwise you are no different than those who see state-sanctioned marriage as unions between biological man and biological woman. Although Populist makes a good point about Rush Limbaugh, I would offer Hillary Clinton. Ugh, just lost my appetite at that thought.

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harley1305121514 says... December 11, 2012 at 9:45 p.m.

BillSmith....Dear God in heaven! When did I say I wanted to ban gay anything? Show me where I said it in any post! I absolutely don't believe you can come up with any post where I said ban anything pertaining to homosexuality. I would appreciate it if you could!
I have mentioned before about one of my customer service workers who is gay. I found out when he came to me with a complaint about my branch manager's treatment. When I asked him why he felt my manager was leaving him out of a lot of the functions his reply was, "Because I'm a queer"! Talk about off gaurd! I had to explain to him that he couldn't describe himself in that manner and he must use gay in his discription. I had to send my branch manager to our Dallas training facility to re-educate him on language allowed in the work place to prevent discrimination. I don't discriminate against anyone! That gay man is my friend today. He knows how I feel about it and respects my belief. His partner and he just laugh and say they wouldn't have it any other way! I tell them to excuse me while I go throw up! We have a few drinks and go our seperate ways!
NOW for the umptenth time.....I HAVE MY PERSONAL OPINIONS AND BELIEFS AND I DON'T BELIEVE IN HOMOSEXUALITY AND I WILL STATE TO ANYONE THAT FACT BUT I ACCEPT THE FACT THAT I CAN'T STOP IT AND IT IS NOT MY PROBLEM! I HAVE SAID MANY TIMES AND IN MANY POST THAT "I DON'T HATE GAYS/HOMOSEXUALS.....I DON'T APPROVE OF IT....I DON'T TRY TO CHANGE ANYONES MIND ABOUT IT....IT IS MY BELIEF AND MY OPINION!!! GOD HELP YOU IF YOU DON'T GET THIS! SHOW ME WHERE I EVER SAID I WANTED GAYS BANNED!
Bill...where did you come up with my having a problem with smoking pot? AGAIN...show me where I have EVER said I was against smoking pot! Show me! What the hell is wrong with you? I am a biker so ask Populist what bikers do. I smoke pot even at 65 yrs. old! I have probably smoked a pick-up truck bed full of pot since the 70's! Where do you come up with your comments? Show me proof of your comments! Show me proof!
NOW....show me where I said ANYTHING other than I DON'T BELIEVE IN ABORTION AND I WILL NEVER BELIEVE IN ABORTION!! SHOW ME BILL!! You are a true hypocrite! You don't think I should vote the way I want to vote or believe what I want to believe because feel it is troublesome for you! You got a real problem....I believe YOU ARE WRONG about most everything! I CAN BELIEVE THAT AND YOU CAN'T DO ONE DAMN THING ABOUT IT AND YOU POST FALSE COMMENTS!! SHOW ME BILL...SHOW ME COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID I SAID! IT'S BULLCRAP!!

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Populist says... December 12, 2012 at 8:24 a.m.

Harley,

Thanks for putting me in my place for stereotyping people. I've always imagined that biker dudes have tattoos and loose sexual morals. I apologize if this is not the case with you and if you were offended in any way. I'm glad that you did not discriminate against gays in the work force.

Inquire,

Democrats gerrymander as much as Republicans. In Maryland, they've drawn the lines to keep Republicans from getting reelected. The lines are so snakelike and ridiculous that it took me weeks last year to figure out which district I was in. The politicians and election officials did not even know. I live in a one block strip that reaches up to include a couple of biotech companies because a sitting congressman wanted to keep those businesses in his district but agreed to give up the rest of my neighborhood to be included in a Western Maryland district to keep the Republican incumbent from getting elected. While I like our Governor, I am a little angry at the Maryland Democrats for this ridiculous gerrymandering. Also, there is a case to be made that, in Arkansas, heavily black portions of Arkansas have been divided up to keep sitting white, Democratic congressmen in office.

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Populist says... December 12, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.

Pobucker,

Yes, the inner cities are blue, but so are the more highly educated suburbs. We are the ones paying the high taxes--not the low income people of small town America. While I don't really like high taxes, I believe in good schools so the current leadership of the Republican Party is unacceptable to me.

As for the thought that the Republicans care about the middle class, they don't. The Republicans care only about keeping taxes low on the multi-millionaires. About 25% of my household income is going to pay federal taxes. I''m afraid everybody who makes between $250,000 and $750,000 a year is about to get screwed by the Republicans AND the Democrats. The Democrats will ensure that there are great benefits for the poor, and the Republicans will make sure that the capital gains taxes remain low and the deductions and benefits for the rich stay in place. Most of the compromise talk is about sticking it to the high income professionals--raising their taxes and cutting into their deductions. Of course, I would rather there be sensible moderations to entitlement benefits and slightly higher capital gains taxes and reduction of tax loopholes and largesse which benefits certain industries, but the upper middle class in this country is simply without the political power over the Republicans or the Democrats.

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Pobucker says... December 12, 2012 at 10:13 a.m.

Gee, Populist, I agree with your statements. I am heartened by the willingness to recognize that it makes no difference if you lean right or left in individual ideology, the political parties have no allegiance to you. The parties pursue their own agendas separate and apart from your personal beliefs. We are commodities, a vote on a stick. I have no allegiance to any party and my vote is always cast in opposition. I will not be pandered.
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inquire says... December 12, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.

According to Think Progress, total Democratic votes for US House candidates were 53,952,240. Total Republican votes for US House candidates were 53,402,643. Obviously, more US voters voted for Democrats for their representative than voted for Republicans.
Redistricting helped create a scenario whereby some states that carried Obama decisively wound up with Republican representatives.

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Jjackk says... December 12, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.

Uh, Rand Paul is a Republican.

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harley1305121514 says... December 12, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.

Inquire....how long is "long enough" to live as the born gender before having the operation?
You posted it.....can you answer it?

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inquire says... December 12, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.

Harley, I never claimed to have the answer to that. The doctors who treat those people know how to judge when the trial period has been successful for a sufficient period. If you're that interested, I'm sure there must be a website that would give some information. If the doctor and patient are satisfied, that's good enough for me.

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Populist says... December 12, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.

Inquire,

Many people voted for Obama because Romney was a sorry choice. While many of the Republican congressmen also are sorry, many people do not vote a straight ticket. While the fact that the Democrats garnered more votes indicates that the Republicans in Congress are not exactly popular, many of us find fault with many of the Democrats in Congress as well. While I am sure that Republicans gerrymander when possible, the Democrats are no saints on that issue either.

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Populist says... December 12, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.

Harley,

I don't know if Inquire has an answer, and I am not sure that any of us who post here have enough experience with transgender people to give a qualified response on that. However, I think the only time there is surgery on a child is when the child has duplicate parts and the parents and doctors agree on a procedure of removing some of the parts as a deformity. I am not sure in hindsight that the "right" choice is always made at that juncture though. Of course, there should not be any transgender surgery until after the person is an adult and has gone through a period of counseling. It is not something to be entered into lightly. I am not sure that even after the surgery is performed that the person is ever happy, but I do know that there are some people in my area who have undergone the procedure. It is a medical choice for an adult to make after extensive psychological and medical counseling. You could not really perform it on a child who has not gone through puberty and the effects of hormonal changes are noted.

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harley1305121514 says... December 12, 2012 at 4:37 p.m.

Populist....Thanks for posting a real intelligent comment! I mean it! You have said what should have been said by everyone else. It is not a "cut & dry issue"! I agree with you on the both parts situation and I can only suppose there has to be a decision made at that time. In cases where someone, child or adult, just feels as though they need to be the opposite sex than they were born as.....then it is complicated.
Are you having a drink at this time or is it because you are sober that you commented so well?

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Pobucker says... December 12, 2012 at 4:40 p.m.

Yes, I know he is a republican. He is a republican in the same manner that greens are democrats.

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Pobucker says... December 12, 2012 at 4:52 p.m.

Inquire says, "According to Think Progress, total Democratic votes for US House candidates were 53,952,240. Total Republican votes for US House candidates were 53,402,643. Obviously, more US voters voted for Democrats for their representative than voted for Republicans."
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yes, they did, by a 1 percent margin. Scarcely a significant difference, eh? Or better said, "The loyal republican opposition represents 49.5% of the folks who voted for House seats. Those people deserve the same respect as the 50.5% that voted for democrat representatives."

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Pobucker says... December 12, 2012 at 5 p.m.

So just to draw a finer point to it, I went to a calculator instead of pulling it out of my, uh, head. To be exact, 50.3% voted for democrat reps and 49.7% voted for republican reps. You just can't divide a country down the middle any better than that. So I say again, the republicans deserve to stand in opposition.

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Pobucker says... December 12, 2012 at 5:14 p.m.

heh, you might ask, "If the country split down the middle in raw votes for the house, why did the republicans come out in the majority". It is because the people's house does not respect the blue urban center's population advantage like the senate and president do. The people's house was designed from the very beginning to give small states equal footing with big states.

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Populist says... December 12, 2012 at 7:43 p.m.

Pobucker,

The people are divided down the middle, because it is a close question as to which party stinks worse. Right now, I think the Republicans are the far weaker party, but the Democrats are always competitive. I am excited to see what the independent Senator from Maine, Angus King, will have to say about everything. I would so love a pragmatic, thinking party from the middle.

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RonalFos says... December 13, 2012 at 7:49 a.m.

Republicans kept control of the US House because of Gerrymandering of state House districts. Republicans actually lost the popular vote count for House seats.

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Pobucker says... December 13, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.

geez RonFos, gerrymander as a reason is bullsheit. And yes, dems had the edge in popular vote, by a dominating one half of one percent.
get a grip

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RonalFos says... December 13, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.

Yes, it was a small majority of votes but only 4 times in the last century did the party that won the vote majority not control the House. In each case gerrymandering was the cause and each time the majority of Americans were denied control of the House.

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Pobucker says... December 13, 2012 at 2:38 p.m.

heh, if that's what your convinced of, fine. I can't see it because house representation is proportional and gerrymandering on account of race or color is closely watched and illegal.
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Losers cry, "gerrymander" while winners say "redistricting". Here is bottom-line, google the quote for the complete analysis: "Based just on the seats that flipped party control, Democrats likely ended up gaining one net seat in the House because of redistricting."
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I don't see any gerrymander in that.

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Pobucker says... December 13, 2012 at 2:41 p.m.

That's from the Brennen Center of Justice of the New York School of Law, hardly a conservative group. The article is:
Redistricting and Congressional Control Following the 2012 Election
Analysis
By Sundeep Iyer
– 11/28/12

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Pobucker says... December 13, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.

Here is the last quote for those who speak with their toothless one:
"...of the 40 members whose departure may have been at least partly the result of redistricting, 20 were Democrats and 20 were Republicans."
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No net effect from the so-called "gerrymander". Republicans hold a legitimate mandate to loyally oppose the president in the house. They have MY support for going right off the cliff. No bullying tolerated.

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Populist says... December 15, 2012 at 7:08 a.m.

RonalFos,

Again. Gerrymandering is not just a Republican problem. Go look at the districts in Maryland; they are a mess and are structured to kick Republicans out of office. The very moderate Republican Connie Morrello was redistricted a few years back so that she would lose her seat. This time, they redistricted Roscoe Bartlett so that he would lose his seat. I still support the Democrats, but I admit when they have been bad girls and boys. There are very few saints currently involved in American politics.

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Jjackk says... December 15, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.

Then you have to talk about the flip floppers. They try to call themselves independents but they only bounce back and forth between Democrats and Republicans. Not very independent but they think they are.

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Populist says... December 16, 2012 at 7:30 a.m.

JJack,

I really don't flip flop on much of anything. My views of which party is the lesser of the evils has.

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BillSmith says... December 18, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.

Gaitor.....If I was Barrack Obama I would pass on having you pray for me. Since I would have no way of know what you were praying for.

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