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Jeb Bush urges charter-school expansion in state
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Lee Hogan
This article was originally published January 29, 2013 at 10:39 a.m. Updated January 29, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
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Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush speaks Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2013, at the Arkansas Capitol at an education rally held by a group pushing for changes to the way the state approves charter schools.
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LITTLE ROCK — Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush urged the expanded use of charter schools in Arkansas and throughout the country Tuesday morning at a rally at the state Capitol.
Bush said it was fitting to be speaking in Little Rock, the site of the Little Rock Central High School desegregation crisis in 1957, as he called equal education to be this era's civil-rights issue.
"The path to success has to go through education," Bush said.
The education rally was hosted by A Plus Arkansas, a group that is pushing for legislation that would give an independent commission the power to approve charter schools in Arkansas, taking the power away from the state Board of Education.
Bush, who was Florida governor from 199-2007, told a group of reporters after the rally that he supported that legislation, which Gov. Mike Beebe has stated he opposes.
"My experience around the country is that an independent statewide authorizer, in all likelihood will not be used that much, but it will instill some discipline in local school districts not to just reject out of hand high-quality charter schools," Bush said.
Governors should lead the push for education policy changes, Bush said, adding that the issue should be their top priority.
Bush's message for public schools that feel threatened by charter schools was simple: Improve.
"First, I would say that charter schools are public schools," Bush said. "Rather than feel threatened, embrace this concept, because I think it will be better for all kids."
Bush said that Arkansas has the foundation for improving its schools, but innovation and change is needed.
"Our children can't wait for plodding, incremental change," Bush said. "We need disruptive change. We need to invest in new ideas, new approaches in education."
Bush said the chief priority in creating improvement was creating more options for parents and competition among schools.
"One of the most exciting advances we're seeing in education is blended learning," Bush said.
Bush says the approach combines technology with hands-on guidance from teachers.
"It allows kids to learn in their own way at their own pace," he said. "It doesn't hold them back if they've already mastered the material. They can learn at a faster pace if they have the capability of doing it. It doesn't just pass people along that haven't mastered the material. It customized the learning experience for every child."
Bush blamed government bureaucracy for not seeing more innovation and change sooner.
"The change we must have has to also have school choice for parents," Bush said. "To empower them to make choices that are best for their kids."
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FlatulentBurst says... January 29, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
Ask ole Jeb about how his charter schools are performing down there in the Sunshine State....Not good, sez the reports....Once again, the GOP wants to get rid of public schools...
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MaumelleHog says... January 29, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
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Charter schools are public schools. Some perform better than others, but those that perform poorly must improve quickly or they will be shut down. In central Arkansas, we have many traditional public schools that have performed poorly for years. Those schools just keep plugging right along, continuing to fail students and the community, and wasting millions of tax dollars. Charter schools provide a much-needed option. Parents should have the opportunity to choose a school that is more accountable and efficient, yet still tuition-free. This is not a Democratic or Republican issue - it's an education issue.
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Whippersnapper says... January 29, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
The GOP wants to get rid of failing public schools that are run by unions and make effective change impossible to accomplish. As pointed out, Charter schools are by definition public schools, created under the authority of the state, funded by the state, answerable to the state, and accepting any children who wish to enroll. In the Lib world, that doesn't equal a public school because they are not bound by every little union-backed regulation, but in the real world it makes them public schools.
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BillSmith says... January 29, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
Charters underperform public schools
By Stanley D. Smith, special to the Times
In Print: Sunday, November 25, 2012
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As a professor of finance, I advocate the use of business analysis in evaluating government programs. So when the most recent state test scores came out for Florida's elementary schools, I ran some numbers to look at the performance of charter schools as well as the effects of poverty and minority status. The bottom line? The numbers tell us we should question the state's increasing emphasis on charter schools because as a group they underperform traditional public schools
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BillSmith says... January 29, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
People Just watch the movies "The Ron Clark Story" and "Freedow Writers" both are based on actual events and facts and public education in triditional schools.
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Those that do not deal in facts need not watch, because you may feel these movies are a conspiricy of the left.
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Populist says... January 29, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.
Maumelle Hog is correct. Good schools should not be a Democratic or Republican issue. Everybody should want good schools. Instead of listening to a former governor of a state with mediocre schools, why don't we take lessons from one of the best school districts in the country? Montgomery County, Maryland is one of the best schools systems in the country, and they will sell their curriculum which is targeted from everybody from rockets scientists down to those who are barely literate. Hire people to teach the curriculum instead of employing numerous lawyers and administrators. The curriculum works because it sets high standards for young people and moves them up the ranks. Ignore the teachers' unions. Adopt a system in which problem teachers are put on notice, given additional training, and fired by the principal if they cannot teach. Teachers can appeal dismissal to a board consisting of half teachers and half principals. Hire some new people from successful school systems. Move the kids who excel into advanced classes and keep teaching the basics to those who don't. If a kid cannot do the work, have them repeat a grade until they get it. Flood the schools with computers and computer classes. Teach the kids anatomy and health from an early age. Technology job and jobs in medicine are in high demand. Have free educational summer camps which will keep the kids from losing education progress over the summer. Stop spending money on guns for Game & Fish employees and every other bureaucrat in the state and start spending on the schools. Then, we won't have to have a bond issue to finance a new business; businesses will want to come to Arkansas.
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Whippersnapper says... January 29, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
Hey BS, how about citing real studies? Here's one that specifically declares that Arkansas is among the list of "States with significantly higher learning gains for charter school students than would have occurred in traditional schools". In the study, five states' charter schools did better (including Arkansas), six states did worse, and four saw "mixed results or were no different than the gains for traditional school peers."
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ht tp://credo.stanford. edu/reports/MULTIPLE_CHOICE_CREDO.pdf
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Furthermore, let's look at some of the conclusions:
"The academic success of charter school students was found to be affected by the contours of the charter policies under which their schools operate."
"States that have limits on the number of charter schools permitted to operate, known as caps, realize significantly lower academic growth than states without caps, around .03 standard deviations."
"However, charter schools are found to have better academic growth results for students in poverty."
"English Language Learners realize significantly better learning gains in charter schools."
And here is the kicker:
"Students do better in charter schools over time. First year charter students on average
experience a decline in learning, which may reflect a combination of mobility effects and
the experience of a charter school in its early years. Second and third years in charter
schools see a significant reversal to positive gains."
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So, Charter Schools are working in Arkansas. Charter schools work well with poor kids and non-English speaking kids. The longer you leave kids in charter schools, the better they do. Which part of this makes it sound like they are a really bad idea for us here in Arkansas? Oh yeah, none of it.
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RonalFos says... January 29, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
Charter schools most of the time are nothing more than desegregation by another name. This is how white people get away from minorities they don't like.
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DEMOCRATREPUBLICAN says... January 29, 2013 at 1:31 p.m.
Who the hell cares what Jeb Bush says anyway? Not Me.
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Populist says... January 29, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.
Whippersnapper,
You are right that the CREDO study concluded that Arkansas kids were doing better in the Charter schools than their public. In most states, that is not the case. Apparently, when your schools are SO BAD, there is only one way to go and that is up. The one thing that Charters can do, which public schools in Arkansas cannot, is to fire bad teachers. Public schools systems such as Montgomery County Maryland which can fire their teachers are doing fine. The public schools in Arkansas will improve when they adopt better standards for training or firing bad teachers and when they adopt a more rigorous curriculum for those who excel and teach at a more remedial level for those who do not.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... January 29, 2013 at 3:27 p.m.
BillSmith you can't even spell; why would we want to take any educational advice from you?
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BillSmith says... January 29, 2013 at 7:18 p.m.
AintNobodyGotTimeforDat .........You are correct my spelling is not up to your standars, but I see you get my points anyway. I use to be a good speller before I began programming computers in the late '60's, at tha time the languages I used RPG and IBM assembly language you had a maximum 6 characters to make a meaningful word or abreviation for a field name for instance "second line address" became addr2, 2ndadr so as you can understand (maybe) the use of acronyms was common. Their use 8 to 10 hours a day for 40 years led to the demise of my spelling. What is your excuse for ignorance.
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BillSmith says... January 29, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.
AintNobodyGotTimeforDat.....you are one of the persons, whipper being another, I mentioned in the comment about not watching the movies because they are fact based and would really present a problem for rebuttle from you and whipper.
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NoUserName says... January 29, 2013 at 7:51 p.m.
Montgomery County, Maryland? You have GOT to be kidding me. 10th richest county in the country. Imagine that...the kids in the 10th richest county in the country do well in school. I'm stunned. It's not the schools. It's the parents. No amount of money thrown at schools is going to fix the problem - on a grand scale of course. The problem is one of affluence.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... January 29, 2013 at 8:08 p.m.
NoUserName that is the big problem I see with the 1% argument. The 1% liberals like to blame the 1% conservatives for all of the problems.
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BarichMilhusseinObamaNixonPOTUS says... January 29, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
BillSmith let me sift through your compost pile:
1. My wife is a computer programmer and knows how to spell very well. Of course she graduated from college summa cum laude and paid 100% of her way so that probably explains part of your problem
2. Everyone has an excuse if they are weak enough to use it; you are obviously weak and I am neither weak or ignorant.
3. I'm the hammer and you are the nail. Game over
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JakeTidmore says... January 29, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
Don, you''re just being a jerk and that never won any arguments. The only game you've been playing is to see how often you can pat yourself on the back.
That dreary piece of bidness aside and please put up the elementary school spelling ribbons:
Lots of misinformation, myths, and muddied thinking from the top of this page to the snarkiness trying to pass itself off as educated opinion. There are so many statements that are are just unsubstantiated; there are lots of reports cited but their limited scope is not taken into account; one certainly sees more politics than perspective in some of the comments (just look for the hot button labels and gimmick phrases); and some comments have a danged familiar echo that indicates unoriginal thinking being regurgitated -- the vomit analogy describes a lot of what lies on this page.
And you have all missed the monster hidden in this scenario. The article writer has done nothing more than cite quotes from the participants and has provided very little information about their agenda or proposals on this issue. Therein lies the coup that these folks want to accomplish in taking education away from the state and the people and giving the power to business firms to do with as they please, even to the point of doing away with local school boards as they've already tried in other states. Or, shutting down our state agency that controls charters, which has maintained a high standard in approving them. And, giving unbridled and unchecked license to businesses to start charters without any state supervision or oversight.
Gosh....there's so much more to this story and issue. Instead, we get a story that's basically pap and comments miles away from reality. And some of you want to brag about your education?
It rings very hollow.
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TimberTopper says... January 30, 2013 at 5:42 a.m.
People wake up! Jeb doesn't give a damn if your kids do good in school or not. It's all about the money he and his friends stand to make, you know like Bill Bennett, the educator/gambler. We have a discipline problem in our schools, not only the children but sometimes the parents as well. I and most of my peers grew up knowing, if we got in trouble at school, we were in bigger trouble at home. Time out was that moment before you received the first of what was coming, with more to follow. Parents backed and believed the teachers and school administrators. That doesn't seem to be the case today. I was convinced that either I would learn and pass or I would most probably die or have to spend my life with my folks looking over my shoulder, telling me what to do until I was an old man. There are different ways of encouragement, most of which leave no longterm scars, just an attitude adjustment. Each teacher had a device if needed to adjust ones attitude, and I for one was adjusted on many occasions, with a follow up adjustment at home. One of my best teachers was a biology teacher. After having an adjustment from him which consisted of 2 licks, you could go to the bathroom, lower your pants, look in the mirror and his intials would be on each cheek. One adjustment from him was all it ever took. The teachers unions and school administrators should work together and if there is a bad teacher help them become a good teacher or help them find another occupation. The big thing is the parents need to get involved!
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Populist says... January 30, 2013 at 6:19 a.m.
NoUserName,
We have immense wealth in Montgomery County, but we also have a section of the county which is very poor. These poor kids are doing well also. 10% of the blacks who pass AP exams are from this county alone. My housekeeper's son will be transferring from the community college to either UVA or UMD. In fact, many of the kids who do best in our schools are the poor immigrant kids from China, Russia, and India. It is all about the work ethic; not about the money. High school kids do at least 3 hours of homework a night. One of the reasons we are one of the richest counties is due to the high level of achievement in science; the biotech companies are here. Of course, we do spend over $13,000 a year per child in education, and Arkansas spends somewhere in the $8,500 range.
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Populist says... January 30, 2013 at 6:31 a.m.
I actually think the Bushes care about education. However, charter schools can be just as poorly run as the public schools. We must look at what the most successful school districts are doing and copy them. We must be able to fire bad teachers. The Montgomery County System of allowing principals to fire subject to a review panel of principals and teachers is a good one. Bad teachers either get more training or get weeded out of the system. Montgomery County also uses a system by which the students are divided in many levels so everybody is learning at the pace they need. The system is working and needs to be replicated. Some of the Arkansas schools are doing well; the principals of these schools need to be promoted along with outsiders from successful systems.
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NoUserName says... January 30, 2013 at 6:40 a.m.
And the city where I'm originally from, they spend $15,000 per student, have a graduation rate of 56%, and have one of the highest (2009 figure) dropout rates in the country. Of course, it was also listed as one of the poorest big cities in the country. It's about parents making sure the kids do 3 hours of homework a night. For that matter, it's about parents making sure the kids go to school. It is parental involvement that is the key. And, generally speaking, the less affluent you are, the less likely you are to be involved. And if you want to talk work ethic, for a child at least, that is something instilled from the parents anyway.
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Populist says... January 30, 2013 at 6:47 a.m.
With respect to money....Yes, it does make a difference. Because my husband makes good money, I can stay at home and tutor the kids two hours every night. Dinner is cooking and the house is clean when the kids get home. We also spend $8,000 a year on math and spanish tutoring for the kids. In the summer, they each will take a writing class. So, yes, money does help. However, I know people who live in apartments where the mom also stays at home and tutors the kids. Many of the Asians have strict standards about the amount of homework done. After my sister became divorced and money was tight, she lived like a pauper for years so she could afford the tuition at MSM and Catholic and then so she could help with college. These investments in education pay off. When parents and/or a community sacrifices to make the schools better, the children are able to get better jobs when they graduate. While there are some great charter schools, I don't think it wise to abdicate the public responsibility to educate youth to some private panel to approve the schools. There are educational experts in this country; let's use them. Rich businessmen and powerful politicians often don't have a clue as to what makes a good school; they weren't the ones volunteering in the classrooms.
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RonalFos says... January 30, 2013 at 7:48 a.m.
Charter schools should have better scores than public schools on national tests. The primary reason I say that has to do with parents who move their kids to charter schools. In most cases parents who would move their kids to a charter school in the hope of getting a better education are parents who are involved with their kids education. They care about their grades, they make them do homework and generally have the money to provide their children with all the extras that support learning. With that advantage, charter schools, if they are really even a little better at teaching, should just kill public schools on test scores. Even with all those advantages, I don't think we are seeing that with charter schools.
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NONSHEEPLE says... January 30, 2013 at 8:27 a.m.
Our current traditional public schools are WAY off track in the Pulaski area. Teachers have no real control of their students because school admins are forced to buckle to pissed off parents no matter the reason. District offices for these school systems don't care about what's wrong or right. They care about not having to listen to a parent regardless of the conplaint.
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SoonerHawg says... January 30, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
RonalFos says..."Charter schools most of the time are nothing more than desegregation by another name. This is how white people get away from minorities they don't like."
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It is also a method that black people use to get away from schools/administrators/teachers that they feel are simply ineffective. One of my closest friends - a fellow I have worked side-by-side for 15 years - chooses to raise his family in the SWLR neighborhood home that he was raised in. He also has taken his kids to charter schools since their inception, because the local school administration he had to deal with, was "not concerned about educating our kids" - his words not mine. He has had to sacrifice to be able to do so, but this is what he has done. So please do not make this a white-hate thing, because it is not.
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It IS about parents who want the best for their kids.
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Populist says... January 30, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
Nobody in Little Rock will fire the nonperforming administrators and teachers. You need a superintendent with experience from a good school system with the authority to sack some of the nonperformers. The principals need the authority to fire the bad teachers and hire replacements. In this job market, you should be able to hire some good teachers and administrators from one of the better school districts. Many of the delinquent kids need to be sent away to reformed schools. Parents who object to tougher school standards need to be escorted away by security. Parents who do not send their kids to school and ready to learn need to be arrested for child neglect. The Little Rock School District is a JOKE. Don't blame it on the minorities; many successful school systems have minorities.
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Packman says... January 30, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.
Hey Populist - What percentage of kids in Montgomery County, Maryland are from two parent homes? Now, compare that with the percentage of kids in the Lee County, Arkansas public schools? Would you be surprised to see an inverse relationship between standardized test scores and single-parent homes? Involved parents are the difference. No amount of money, computers, or curriculum can substitue for parental involvement.
And when it comes to public education in America we must always remember the wisdom of A. Einstein on the definition of insanity. Doing things the same way over and over and over again and expecting different results is insane. It's double insanity to do (spend) more and more and more on the same thing and expect different results. When you throw more money at the current educational system in America, you're practicing insanity at the highest level. It's time for reform. Let the charter school expansion begin.
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Populist says... January 30, 2013 at 11:49 a.m.
Packman,
What you said above makes no sense. If having two parents is the only thing that matters, then the children do not need to go to school at all! If two parents matters so much, then having charter schools won't matter. The truth is a number of factors are at work. I came from a broken home, but was a very good student and attended fabulous schools with great teachers. The reason the numbers are so high on two parents is that these kids are more likely to have the outside help with tutoring than single parent kids. This does not mean that those kids from single parent homes do not benefit from tutoring, summer school, great curriculum, small classrooms, and great teachers. ALL of these things matter. If you fire the bad teachers, kick the juvenile delinquents out, throw people in jail for child neglect, decrease classroom size, equip the schools with good computers, and use a good curriculum, the schools will get better as they do in school districts which care enough to implement these measures. While you say that these measures will not help in poor communities, you are just wrong. Teach for America has been doing the Lord's work in Eastern Arkansas. The Chinese are making huge efforts to step up education in their country, which is why the future may belong to them if we do not get with it.
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Jjackk says... January 30, 2013 at 1:46 p.m.
Sorry, but I think there is some truth in his statement. Single parent households are a factor and parents must be involved for the success of a school. But I do think there is a certain amount of money disparity in school systems. Not that there isn't plenty there. Our schools are funded well enough. Go into small town Arkansas and the best paying jobs in town are at the schools.
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Whippersnapper says... January 30, 2013 at 2:36 p.m.
BillSmith says
"AintNobodyGotTimeforDat.....you are one of the persons, whipper being another, I mentioned in the comment about not watching the movies because they are fact based and would really present a problem for rebuttle [sic] from you and whipper."
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BS boy - The problem with your "logic" here is that I cited a massive nationwide study (complete with facts and conclusions that support your position as well as mine). You cited a couple of "documentaries" pushed through by folks who started out agreeing with your position. Who is ignoring facts that they can't rebut? Interestingly enough, one of the big study conclusions was that the longer you leave the charter schools in place, the better the outcomes get and they eventually surpass the public schools. This is why the "educators" unions want to nip them in the bud. They want to give them a year and can them while they are establishing themselves with quick snapshot evaluations and then use that as an excuse to never allow any charters again. Unfortunately, the data is already out there and it conclusively establishes that there are several situations in which charter-based public schools consistently outperform "traditional" public schools (remember, they are ALL public schools).
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Packman says... January 30, 2013 at 3:10 p.m.
Hey Populist - What is there not to make sense. You agree parental involvement is critical. Two involved parents in the home are double the involvement on its face. National data shows kids from two parent homes scored substantially higher on standardized tests than kids from single parent homes. If 80% of the kids in Montgomery County are from two parent homes and 20% of the kids in Lee County from single parent homes the average scores will correlate as such. Interestingly enough, if you control for single parent homes and regional median household income, I would bet there is no measurable difference between test scores of school kids in Montgomery County Maryland and Lee County Arkansas.
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Populist says... January 30, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.
Parental involvement can be an important factor, but it is just one of many. Neither of my parents looked at my homework EVER. There is a correlation between socioeconomic status and educational achievement, but it is not the only factor. Correlations and causations are very tricky things. Parents' i.q., parents' socioeconomic status, parents' focus on education, parents' level of education, child's environment, child's peers, child's access to education (school quality), and child's effort are all part of the equation. People with high IQs and high socioeconomic status do think that the school is important as they spend much money to see that there children go to the best schools possible. Don't discount quality schools.
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aimee says... January 30, 2013 at 5:59 p.m.
HEADLINE -> "Taxpayer-Enriched Companies Back Jeb Bush's Foundation for Excellence in Education, its Buddy ALEC, and Their "Reforms"
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Jeb Bush is just pushing ALEC's plan to end public schools which they view as pushing "liberal" ideas, otherwise known as "history"..!!!
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Woe to us if Big Business begins running our schools as they have run the Stock Market with bloated numbers.. Instead of "toxic assets", we'll be saddled with a society of "toxic graduates"..!!!!
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prwatch. org/news/2012/11/11883/taxpayer-enriched-companies-back-jeb-bushs-foundation-excellence-education-its-bu
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Populist says... January 30, 2013 at 6:54 p.m.
Aimee,
Nice to hear from you. Thanks for the input!
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BillSmith says... January 30, 2013 at 6:55 p.m.
AintNobodyGotTimeforDat.....you told us how smart your wife is, but you still did not tell us what is your excuse for ignorance.
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Populist says... January 30, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.
The Chinese are betting big on education and are educating everybody regardless of economic status. The kids get promoted based upon test scores--not the parents' income.
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LevitiCuss says... January 30, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.
Oh yeah. It's all about "empowering parents" in order that Jeb and company can divert more public tax money into private hands. Funny how so many of the "government=bad" crowd make their money off the government. He's all for standardized tests too. "For the children", you understand. The fact that he sells those tests is just a coincidence.
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BillSmith says... January 30, 2013 at 9:23 p.m.
Just in from NewsMax:
Fox News had its worst prime time ratings in January in the coveted 25-54 demographic since August 2001, a 12-year low, and its lowest total day ratings since June 2008, Politico reports.
The year started off badly for Fox’s “On the Record with Greta Van Susteren” in particular, which suffered its worst month ever among the 25-54 demo. January also saw the channel’s lowest total viewership in the 10 p.m. hour since July 2008.
The numbers weren’t all bad. Fox still had nine out of the top 10 shows for the month. The only program to crack Fox' total dominance was MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show” which came in at the 10th spot.
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Looks like what I have been talking about is already happening, I expect to see simular stats about the Tea Party as well. Ha, things are looking up libs.
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aimee says... January 30, 2013 at 10:08 p.m.
Bill Smith:
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You're as "right as rain"..!!!
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DontDrinkDatKoolAid says... January 31, 2013 at 12:26 a.m.
The real question, ... why in the hell is Jed in Arkansas to begin with?
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Whippersnapper says... January 31, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.
BillSmith says
"Looks like what I have been talking about is already happening, I expect to see simular stats about the Tea Party as well. Ha, things are looking up lib"
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BS boy is crowing because the tenth placed news program is no longer on Fox News, even though numbers 1-9 still are? That's like crowing about how great John L. Smith is because the Razorbacks didn't lose ALL their football games this season. Top 10 shows all on one channel and the other half dozen channels finally squeak ONE in there in LAST PLACE and you are doing a dance like a linebacker who tackled a running back after a fifteen yard gain when his team is trailing by six touchdowns in the fourth quarter. It is so pathetic it is laughable.
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