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BRADLEY R. GITZ: The myths of socialism

By Bradley R. Gitz

This article was published March 19, 2018 at 4:30 a.m.

It is revealing to read so many news reports about the collapse of Venezuela that go out of their way to avoid mentioning its primary cause--the socialist model installed by the caudillo Hugo Chavez and perpetuated by his even more thuggish successor Nicolas Maduro.

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RBear says... March 19, 2018 at 6:47 a.m.

What is with this guy's obsession with socialism? He seems to be like most right wing nut cases who try to brand progressive politics as "socialism" and then goes to extreme lengths to prove some fringe examples of why it doesn't work.
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"In leftist dreams, the socialist-capitalist distinction becomes subjective and purely binary, with socialism redefined to include all that is theoretically desirable and capitalism stuck holding the real-world bag for all that isn't." Sorry Gitz, but this seems to be some twisted mental model you want to label progressives with as if it's actually true, when in fact it is not.
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I'll just chalk this obsession you have up to spending too much time sheltered in the confines of Lyon College who protects your existence with an academic post. Looking over your record it doesn't seem as if you've actually ever engaged in actual capitalism throughout your career so maybe we should write off your opinions as lacking in real world experience.

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TimberTopper says... March 19, 2018 at 7:58 a.m.

Glitz is a bad joke being played on the ARDEMGAZ.

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hah406 says... March 19, 2018 at 8:21 a.m.

Gitz, you almost got to the difference between socialism, communism, and what many progressives in the U.S. want, which is a capitalist model with socialist features, such as much of Scandinavia and Western Europe have. We want universal healthcare, a successful model that produces better outcomes at lower overall costs. However, republicans repeatedly call that socialism, which it clearly is not. We want a stronger social safety net, which republicans think just makes people not want to work. We want to make sure kids don't go to bed hungry, but republicans only focus on cutting SNAP. See what I am getting at. The GOP wants poor people to hurry up and die.
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Communism and pure socialism is bad. Social democracies with capitalist features apparently are ideal, based on every measure available for economic output, education, life expectancy, and happiness of the population in Scandinavia and many Western European countries.

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WhododueDiligence says... March 19, 2018 at 8:33 a.m.

First, Gitz states that there is no socialism in places like Norway, Sweden and Finland. Then Gitz takes an opposite viewpoint--that life expectancy went down in those countries after their "embrace of socialism." Then in conclusion Gitz once again denies that what those countries have is socialism.
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As a reminder not to do this--not to try to have it both ways--ever again, Gitz should have to sing along with Donovan "First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is" 100 times while writing it on the blackboard. But such cruel and unusual punishment is frowned upon in this country. And since Gitz has shown good taste in music, he should be allowed to be treated lightly by listening to the Allman Brothers takeoff on that song in their "Mountain Jam" instrumental which is over 33 minutes long but the last 8 minutes are particularly earthshaking.
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Besides, unlike the contortions and flip-flops typically found in political arguments, in the grand scheme of geologic space and time, "First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is" actually does make sense.

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WhododueDiligence says... March 19, 2018 at 8:48 a.m.

The 55, 53, and 59 percent higher standard of living statistics for Danish, Swedish, and Finnish Americans appear suspect considering that Denmark, Sweden, and Finland all have high standards of living. That looks like something which might support the old saying about statistics and which might be found in the satire-rich Journal of Irreproduceable Results.

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GeneralMac says... March 19, 2018 at 9:39 a.m.

Gitz sure got the socialist posters riled up this morning !

When liberals favor a guaranteed living income for EVERYONE, they should re-read Gitz's last paragraph.

One poster says......" we want to make sure kids don't go to bed hungry"
hahha406........food stamps, free school lunches, food shelves.

WHY are kids going to bed hungry ?

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GeneralMac says... March 19, 2018 at 9:51 a.m.

The liberals in the US loved Hugo Chavez.

The only reason I can think of is because Hugo Chavez disliked George W Bush.

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DoubleBlind says... March 19, 2018 at 10:12 a.m.

Gitz is referring to findings in a July 2016 joint research paper by Rockwool Foundation in Copenhagen and Univ of Chicago called “The Scandinavian Fantasy.”

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hah406 says... March 19, 2018 at 10:20 a.m.

Mac, kids are going to bed hungry because a lot of people in this state are the working poor, and you all keep cutting SNAP. Some get one good meal a day while in school, then eat ok the first of the month and starve the last of the month. Why don't you take a stroll down to Arkansas Children's Hospital, where they give out hundreds of free lunches every day during the summer to keep kids from going hungry and tell those kids it is their fault they are hungry, you no good SOB.

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GeneralMac says... March 19, 2018 at 10:36 a.m.

haha406...........who said it is the "kids' fault" if they are going hungry?

With the PARENTS earning a wage ( YOU asserted they are the " working poor " )......generous food stamps etc............why should kids be going hungry.

The two RESPONSIBILITIES of being a parent is providing for a roof over their kids' heads and food.

Any luxuries,,,,,,,,electronic gadgets, nice cars,,,,,,,,should only be purchased after the first two are met.

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