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No gun troubles yet, say Arkansas colleges; lawmakers hear mixed opinions

By Hunter Field

This article was originally published May 11, 2018 at 4:30 a.m. Updated May 11, 2018 at 4:06 p.m.

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Guns on Arkansas college campuses haven't caused any notable problems during the first semester they've been allowed, a variety of administrators from the state's largest universities said at a legislative hearing Thursday on campus safety.

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BOLTAR says... May 11, 2018 at 11:03 a.m.

Please, pro-gun experts, I can't help it if my question seems simple or stupid to you. If the answer is obvious to geniuses in the field, surely you can do us ignorant people a big favor and answer my question with a specific number: what percentage of shootings involving a shooter also involve firearms? You tell us shooters are involved 100% of the time. Are firearms involved anywhere nearly as often? It could give us uninformed, non-experts a sense on how much focus should go toward the shooter compared to the firearm. If 100% of shootings involve shooters without firearms, there is no need to focus on firearms at all, but if (crazy as it sounds) 100% of shootings also involve firearms, maybe we should focus equally on both. I know. That sounds nuts, but all I can do is brainstorm until I get your expert input to this important question.

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GeneralMac says... May 11, 2018 at 11:06 a.m.

Despite RBear favoring " show a need" to own a gun, I wonder if you favor " show a need" to own a car.

Imagine how many fewer accidents there would be if all car owners had to " show a need".

"insurance, licensing"...........?

Many car owners have neither as it only is required if you leave your property and uses a public road.

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GeneralMac says... May 11, 2018 at 11:09 a.m.

please do an internet search of Sarah Cade.

A young, liberal, bi-racial Minnesota female who owns a modified AR-15.

She says............" my AR-15 is not an assault rifle until I assault someone with it "

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hah406 says... May 11, 2018 at 11:11 a.m.

It is an urban myth that the CDC suppressed a study showing guns are used more often in self defense than in committing a crime. But consider this; outside of hunting, guns are used to commit suicide about five times more often than homicide. Suicide is the second leading killer of people aged 12 - 29. The presence of a gun in the home increases the likelihood of successfully completing a suicide attempt by ten fold. Those are facts. I have seen a lot of people be pro gun right up until I had to inform them their child had committed suicide with a gun.

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BOLTAR says... May 11, 2018 at 11:13 a.m.

GenMac, you present yourself as a deceased war hero from the Pacific theater and an expert on many things including guns. I think I've already established in my essay that cars and guns are exactly the same thing, but let's return to the central point. Can you please help those of us who are not gun experts by providing us with a direct, numerical answer to my question, or is it too hard for even all the gun experts and ghosts of dead generals to figure out?

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GeneralMac says... May 11, 2018 at 11:27 a.m.

BOLTAR.........no, I don't present myself as a deceased war hero.

I have stated often that despite admiring him, I served as a Navy draftee during the Vietnam War era.

I have just as must right to his name as he had and I can use my military nick name given during my 2 years as a Navy draftee.

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Packman says... May 11, 2018 at 11:42 a.m.

Hey Boltar - ..."what percentage of shootings involving a shooter also involve firearms?" Do "shootings" include archery equipment?
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Hey Boltar - What percentage of guns or crossbows fire themselves? Moron.
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Let's review some "common sense" gun laws from some of our favorite bedwetting libs:
Ban all guns - (sjmays)
Ban squirrel rifles - (PopSnob)
Mandatory registration of air rifles, muskets, and BB guns (Don't want anyone shooting their eye out) - (hah)
Repeal the 2A - (retired SCOTUS justice and everyone that works at CNN and MSNBC)
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Come at us, gun grabbers, give it your best shot (no pun intended).

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GeneralMac says... May 11, 2018 at 11:46 a.m.

also...........RBear.............." show a need"

He favors Germany gun control where law enforcement can enter your home ANYTIME if you own a gun and register it.

I imagine haha406 is " licking his chops" with glee after reading what registration can lead to.

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BOLTAR says... May 11, 2018 at 11:56 a.m.

Obviously, none of these gun experts know the answer to my fundamental question: what percentage of shootings involving a shooter also involve firearms? Obviously, they are overstating their expertise when they provide all their pro-gun "arguments," which would lead one to wonder if the answer to my question is a fact they are afraid to face. Surely not. How hypocritical that would be - to avoid a key question by seeking distraction in other topics. It would make them appear more interested in pushing a pro-gun agenda than in arriving at pro-life answers. To quote their leader, "Sad."

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Dontsufferfools says... May 11, 2018 at 1:09 p.m.

I like Murphy's argument. People so enraged by abortion and the loss of innocent life are downright blasé about loss of life to drunk or distracted drivers, gun proliferation, smoking and all kinds of risky activities and behavior. Ban abortion, guns, driving, alcohol, tobacco, maybe bacon, too.

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